Which is the better game?

[nwkfern69]

Hi guys, I really need some (the knowledgeable, senior players) of your help.
So I ran into a very good DD game last week.
Here are the rules:
H17, late surrender, Re-split all pairs up to 4 times, DD on any first two cards, DAS
House edge is about 0.34 %

So heres the downside, penetration sucks, its a consistent 60-65 % penetration.

And here's my question.
I'm wondering which game is more profitable
I also play a 6D shoes game with all the same rules but with a consistent 75-83 % penetration.

I have a small 12k bankroll and I spread only 8 units, 10$ a unit.

I use zen count with a TC conversion
for the shoe game I wong out at -2 TC
and I plan to wong out on the DD game at -5 TC

Both games are 10 dollar min, which one is better for me? thanks

[Bigdaddy]

Hi guys, I really need some (the knowledgeable, senior players) of your help.
So I ran into a very good DD game last week.
Here are the rules:
H17, late surrender, Re-split all pairs up to 4 times, DD on any first two cards, DAS
House edge is about 0.34 %

So heres the downside, penetration sucks, its a consistent 60-65 % penetration.

And here's my question.
I'm wondering which game is more profitable
I also play a 6D shoes game with all the same rules but with a consistent 75-83 % penetration.

That's a no-brainer - the DD game is best. Without running a sim, I would guess that it's at least twice as good in terms of SCORE.

[nwkfern69]

Can anyone run a sim for me contrasting the two on EV and ROR?
thanks

[Jabberwocky]

Can anyone run a sim for me contrasting the two on EV and ROR?
thanks

Calling DogHand!

[Jabberwocky]

Can anyone run a sim for me contrasting the two on EV and ROR?
thanks

You will last longer at the six decker, so that's your best EV game.

[Bigdaddy]

Can anyone run a sim for me contrasting the two on EV and ROR?
thanks

Ok - a couple of quick sims using your parameters above and filling in the blanks for a few other assumptions. For a bankroll of $12,000:

DD game, 60% pen, w/o @ -5 (74.6% of rounds are played) - You can spread $20 to $160 (1/2 Kelly). Win/Hr = $52, ROR = 2.6%, SCORE = 77.43, N0 = 12,915

6-Deck game, 83% pen, w/o @ -2 (37.6% of rounds are played) - You can spread of $20 - $160 (60% Kelly). Win/Hr = $21.51, ROR = 3.6%, SCORE = 29.69, N0 = 33,678.

As I thought - not even close. Just be careful with the 1-8 spread at the DD game. You know what they say: "There's no heat...until there's heat."

[marriedputter]

The DD game is better, but don't forget that the gain trails off if the table fills up. I assume that you are referring to playing alone, which is not easy to do at many DD games. When playing 6D, if a few more sit down, no big deal. At least they're still playable. This is harder to accomplish at 2D. And like jabber said, you'll last longer at 6D.

[Three]

I have a small 12k bankroll and I spread only 8 units, 10$ a unit.

If you aren't going to spread more than 1-8 on a shoe game you shouldn't be playing unless you are avoiding almost every negative expectation round or using an extremely strong count. I would be hesitant even with the latter but some do well spreading 1 to 6 with a strong enough approach. I would add a lot of experience is probably also needed. Like they say counting cards is easy winning is hard. So you should be backcounting or severely wonging until you can bet more. With severe BR considerations backcounting and coming in at a big advantage while flat betting is one option. $12K is not that bad a BR. If you can do what you can to quickly make it into $20K you are in a much better situation. I haven't played a lot of DD because pitch games are almost as rare as bigfoot in my neck of the woods. Let those with the experience at that art for advice you on that.

[DSchles]

By SCORE, I assume you meant hourly win rate. You can't have a SCORE with a 2.6% ROR.

Don

[Bodarc]

You can't have a SCORE with a 2.6% ROR.

Should this be changed to cSCORE

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[nwkfern69]

Big D thanks a lot
I just don't get what NO means or how SCORE is really evaluated?
any references that i can look into for this?

[Three]

"Blackjack Attack" edition 3 by Don Schlesinger.

[Three]

NO means

It's not NO it's n-zero or n0. It is the number of rounds played where SD (standard deviation) is equal to EV (expected value).