Pit Boss Jokingly Called Me Out At Man Store. Your Reaction / Tip / Advice

[20 to 1 Spread]

Excuse the title. Man store. Tired 1 am.
Please don't insult the foolish way I play and how it'll result in an instant ban anywhere else. I already know that.

What happened leading up to today:

So I've returned to BJ fast and vicious. I've hit my local store many days in a row now (with maybe a day break here or there). An asian dealer saw me from the neighboring table and seemed interested in my play (he wasn't dealing so I guess he was fascinated with my plays). The next time I saw him, he was playing at the BJ tables, as a player, sitting next to me. He lost around $500-750 and watched me cash out $3500 (I was in for $2400 but he didnt know at the time). The third time, I saw him was today. As a pit boss.

Today:

I start up my usual aggressive no fear game. $10 min for literally an entire shoe, once it went positive, I spread to two hands of 2 x $250 and get a BJ and a double down etc. He watches on without saying much when my big bets are called out, this cycle repeats until 3.5 hours later. IMPORTANT - During this session, he said to me, "Oh you're here today again? Wait for me to get off work. Let's play". I forgot my response already.

As I awaited my dealer to color me up, he said, you must be doing great this week. I've seen you make so much. To which I responded, you dont even know about the high limit room and how much I lost in there. The DD is rigged I joked. He said and I QUOTE, "Yeah it's much easier to count the shoe games right?" I don't have much experiences with this approach of being called out. I usually just get the boot. I chuckled a bit. He followed with, "cmon you dont have to lie. I mean I count too. But I dont play at your (stakes/level)" I just shrugged / laughed it off and said thanks for the game and walked away after an awkward minute of weird banter.

It would be an insult to the Asian pit boss if I denied card counting. Im sure even the casuals would assume I was up to something at this point. I figured it would piss him off if I denied it. But I felt like admitting it was also, like what... What would you have done in my situation. Is planning on going back this week career suicide? I mean I've played like this, exactly for a couple years without much incident (only 3 times have I gotten heat, 1 time I almost got banned table maxing 3 x hands from a new pit boss female). The Asian pit boss seemed very cool with me. He even joked, "man you make $500 a day like this every day and you can drive a Ferrari)"

What do you think about the next time we sit down at the BJ table together, I suggest to him how to play his hands and perhaps even ramp from an AP view. If he knows I CC already and I indirectly bribe him this way, he may back me up. There's no downside when he plays with me, if I make him a few extra hundreds. Thoughts? I mean I'm not going to actively hunt him down, but if the opportunity appears, should i do this.

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Have you ever heard of a pit boss knowing someone card counted. Called them out on it (in this manner). And then cease to ban/boot them? And just let them play on? He was so casual about my spread. When black action was called, he looked over, said to the dealer, oh its 20-1 spread, that's normal for him. And went on his way to another table!?!?

To be fair, I do try my best to leave if I see a grumpy pit boss and attempt to stay under their threshold amount, whatever that may be.

[BlackjackFeign]

Next time should be fine, just sounds like stupid banter from a low level floor person. The time you have to start worrying is when guys in suits swarm around and hawk your game, or you, and don't say anything. That's when shit is ACTUALLY serious.

DO NOT let dealers, floors, pit critters, or anyone else of low level (except shift managers when shit gets serious) try to intimidate you with jokes, or off the cuff comments about counting. They do it because they like the see amateurs who have never been confronted, and how they respond. These people have no lives, and it's funny and good entertainment to them to see your face turn white, or your expression completely change. When anyone in a casino employee position jokes with me about counting, or if they say straight out I'm counting, I either laugh it off with them, or if the person is persistent and wants to get a reaction out of me I say something to the effect of "yeah I went to MIT just like you." Or some other different smartass comment like "yeah the movie 21 was great, wasn't it? The beating up part was my favorite!" that will change the topic usually. Another smartass comment in my cache is if I'm asked by a floor "What's the count? my response: Last I saw on the ballgame is was 1-2." That's more of a comment for someone who approaches you and says "what's the count?" while you are playing. In your situation after you had colored up, I would have said something like, "yeah I saw the movie 21 also, we all know, it's not a secret." This at least makes the floor think you aren't attempting to fool him. Nobody likes to be taken for a fool, or think you think they are stupid (even if they are), and this is the best way to diffuse a situation like that, at least in my experience.

The most important thing in this situation is to NOT change your expression or demeanor, and not try to show that their comment has changed your mood, or temperament at all. That's exactly what they want! Keep in mind these jokes and comments are coming from people with little, to no power who really could care less that you are counting (most of the time). Again, nobody wants to be taken for a fool, so it's best to go along with their charade, and quickly get it out of the way and change topics. Smartass comments are the best to fight back, and move on.

[Three]

Have you ever heard of a pit boss knowing someone card counted. Called them out on it (in this manner). And then cease to ban/boot them? And just let them play on?

I have had it happen a lot. I usually just make a joke about it. Since I use an untraditional approach the cards counting suits are fascinated by my play. Not in order to ban me but to figure it out so they can do it. Good luck with that. If I sat down and explained it to them for hours they still wouldn't understand what is going on. This type of suit is usually happy to look the other way as long as the way you play allows them to get away with doing so. If you play in a way that they will catch shit if they don't act, they will quickly ban you. Having this discussion openly in front of other employees can put him in a more awkward situation.

[Stealth]

Have you ever heard of a pit boss knowing someone card counted. Called them out on it (in this manner). And then cease to ban/boot them? And just let them play on? He was so casual about my spread. When black action was called, he looked over, said to the dealer, oh its 20-1 spread, that's normal for him. And went on his way to another table!?!?

My first level of amazement is that he plays in the casino where he works???? Have they never heard of collusion?

If this is the case, then I would never enter a conversation with him about AP anything. I assure you, his job is much more important that your help at counting.

[Banker]

[QUOTE=Stealth;202123]My first level of amazement is that he plays in the casino where he works???? Have they never heard of collusion?

You are right. Most casinos will not allow dealers to play table games at the same casino. There are some exceptions. In of those casinos, the pit boss who was watching my play few hours earlier started to play after she was done. To my amusement, she got a lot of a heat from the new pit boss who seemed to be on the phone with surveillance. Few months later, they decided that dealers can play table games but not hi limit. A dealer was playing DD on her time off and she was making guesses (learning to count). She played $25 hand and the next hand she put $1000 bet. The pit boss came running, pushed back the bet and said this is not allowed because it would like the Hi limit room, lol.

[Sharky]

...Have you ever heard of a pit boss knowing someone card counted. Called them out on it (in this manner)...

I have had it happen a lot....

come again???....i thought what was so great about your "humka" system (ie homegrown...lol) was that you go undetected, always win, and use a narrow spread....c'mon man....#confusing

[Three]

come again???....i thought what was so great about your "humka" system (ie homegrown...lol) was that you go undetected, a

And you don't think a playing suit would be interested in how I win consistently in such a way. Lol

Actually I never said I use a small spread. Flash said I do it with a remarkably small max bet. I said I think my max bet would draw heat if it were any larger.
I may have said I could beat the game with a small spread. That is different than actually using a small spread.

[Suit]

That's not all that uncommon. Sometimes the pit personnel are too low on the pole to bring it to anybody's attention (won't bring it up as higher ups like to think only they are qualified to examine play or "cry wolf" if you will.), or simply just don't care.

Believe it or not, some casinos just do not care, and will not waste the time of day unless they're consistently losing to a certain player.

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[DatabaseGuy]

Sometimes you want to be the one telling the dealer you're counting. Like the one who thought she would educate me by telling me never to DD A7v2. I almost told her the count was positive and that it was therefore the right decision. I think she knew I was a counter although she was confused by seeing me always stand on 16vT. But she was trying the other way around to get me to admit to it.

As said many times: never admit to counting. Only your SO and you tax guy should know. Maybe later a team mate or if you join a counter gathering one day.

Rehearse your answer. I've never been asked directly by a PB, I have been counter measured and got heat often, never been accused of counting yet. But I'm ready.

[Bubbles]

I've been asked multiple times, in a joking manner, by dealers and a handful of pit bosses, if I'm counting. I laugh, they laugh, then I make some silly comment that excludes me from counting.

[hitthat16]

I've been asked multiple times, in a joking manner, by dealers and a handful of pit bosses, if I'm counting. I laugh, they laugh, then I make some silly comment that excludes me from counting.

I say "Well I tried it once. Didn't work out." whenever someone asks me straight up.