Comparison of different counts

**Three** · 08-26-2016, 05:38 PM

Don, I want to thank you for your attempts to help me. I already know the things you said. It seems we just are looking at things from a different perspective. I have no doubt you are right from your perspective. It is really all a moot point to me, as I am not a backcounter, but understanding this may have other applications down the road. It is a shame you couldn't look at things from my perspective and tell me things that would help things be clearer from my perspective whichever way they led me. Thanks again. I will look at your posts again after a rest from the site. Things are heating up a bit here and I am being surprised by some here, so for the sake of preserving relationships I thought were good I will take I break. I appreciate your effort. You have helped me many times in the past.

**DSchles** · 08-26-2016, 07:10 PM

Griffin's famous sub-chapter, p. 115, begins with, "True count arises slowly in multiple decks."

Simply put, the true count distribution for SD isn't the same as for six deck. You will get more betting opportunities in SD than in multi.

Don

**DSchles** · 08-26-2016, 07:15 PM

I'm out of the discussion. I can't help you, because you don't want to be helped; you want to preach.

Don

**DSchles** · 08-26-2016, 07:18 PM

I tried to help. I looked at things from your perspective and explained to you why it was incorrect, but you made no attempt to understand, just to overtalk me and swamp the discussion with verbiage.

Taking a break is a great idea.

Don

**Freightman** · 08-26-2016, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by moses

dang. We don't get that many as it is. Of course much deeper pen in those days.

Preachin? Here comes a Freighter zinger I'm sure.

Sorry Moses
I'm a little bashful posting a YouTube video about deep penetration.

**BigJer** · 08-26-2016, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by DSchles

Griffin's famous sub-chapter, p. 115, begins with, "True count arises slowly in multiple decks."

Simply put, the true count distribution for SD isn't the same as for six deck. You will get more betting opportunities in SD than in multi.

Don

Ok. Thanks Don. I just figured with the random card distribution that would be reason why a SD would have more TC+ than a proportional amount of shoe game.

**Bodarc** · 08-26-2016, 09:12 PM

Exaggerated scenario of T3's argument to clear the air.

You are a BP in a casino with 2000 bj tables. You are called in at TC +5 and play as long as the count is +5. If any other count appears, you leave to IMMEDIATELY be called to another table with TC = +5 with no loss of hands/hr. You do this for 1 hour. At the end of 1 hour your frequency of using that index is 100% and you have picked up the extra 2 cents 100 times in that hour, therefore, knowing the +5 indices is more valuable to you than the play all player.

I think that is the gist of what T3 is trying to say.

**Freightman** · 08-27-2016, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by moses

Ok Freighter. The secret to a good sermon is a good beginning and a great ending with both being as close together as possible. Lol

Have to agree.

**Sharky** · 08-27-2016, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by DSchles

...
Simply put, the true count distribution for SD isn't the same as for six deck. You will get more betting opportunities in SD than in multi.

Don

well put...it's like a F1 Fighter Jet vs commercial aircraft...anyone who plays these games knows that for sure!

**Sharky** · 08-27-2016, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by bjarg

Sharky, when can we expect the opening of this season's NFL thread?

as always, my NFL play-o-the-weak will begin when play for keeps starts....week 1

betting preseason would be gambling

GOOD LUCK!

Sharky

**Phoebe** · 09-22-2016, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by DSchles

What don't you understand? In multi-deck, with large spreads, betting contributes the great bulk of all the advantage that you can extract from the game. Playing departures are much less important.

Originally Posted by Philippe B

Large spreads is the key word. Can you play nickels at low counts and blacks at hight counts ? I can't even in multi-deck.

Mais que je suis con !
You confused me because I translated "playing departure" by "Départ du jeu" (i.e Wong Out)
Never too late to understand.

**DSchles** · 09-22-2016, 08:21 AM

"Mais que je suis con ! You confused me because I translated "playing departure" by "Départ du jeu" (i.e Wong Out). Never too late to understand."

Ah, bon. Il est vrai que "departure" pourrait bel et bien vouloir dire "depart du jeu" ainsi que "variation (depart) de la strategie de base". Je vois le probleme.

Don

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 09-22-2016, 12:41 PM

Showing up here without having read Don Shlesinger's chapter

on this crucial issue is tantamount to being no more than a lurker.

See: "Blackjack Attack" 3rd ed.