Seriousplayer and BJGenious

[Stealth]

This last week I had to travel to a casino where a BJ Team was in trouble.

They only had $100,000 and that was inadequate to the level of their betting.

There were two investor-players, and 3 others.

After 6 hrs. 1/3 of the bankroll was gone.

One of the two investors upped and quit and demanded

fully ½ of the remaining funds.

The other investor was infuriated as he had provided

suites and limos for 5 (and ancillary credit line)

He felt betrayed, lied to, abandoned and humiliated.

Anger from (Investor #1) flared.

Investor #2 was unwilling to pay Investor #1

what he demanded, stating that their (verbal)

contract was breached after 6 hrs. of a 3 day sojourn.

At this time cooler heads are looking to prevail,

but an accord is yet to be reached. A work in progress.

Both sides blame the other for dramatically poor play,

though non-player team members were clear that one side,

was intensely exaggerating their skills and had sent signals

that were diametrically opposed to the observable BJ realities.

One of the parties refused to negotiate, and made not-so-veiled

threats of a non-violent nature.

I can read between the lines of this story and would ask several questions of their manager.

As I said, quality people and quality management. AND it is not for everyone!

[Ryemo]

Lonewolf,

You must understand that forming an AP team is like entering a serious partnership. It's not to be taken lightly. I would never form a team with random forum posters, just like I wouldn't enter a partnership or business agreement with some strangers either. If I were to team up with someone, it would need to be with person that I've developed a positive relationship with. Both parties would need to be eaqually comfortable with each other's AP abilities, as well as their integrity. You can't rush these things.

Something else to digest; what does your resume look like? You stated that your results are far below EV and you only have a small meager lifetime win to show for it, after hundreds of hours of play. Now does this mean you're a bad player? No. Maybe variance got the best of you. Maybe your sample size is too small. Regardless of what the case may be, your results to date will not positively contribute to your resume, so you will have a hard time finding people willing to take you on as a "business partner." It would be no different than me witnessing someone open a business and go bankrupt, then hiring that same person to run my business now. Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.

As we discussed privately, my advice is; keep grinding and keep playing. Travel around in search of better games. Get some more hours/experience under your belt. Keep networking and keep improving your game. If you work hard, I'm sure you'll come out ahead. If you build a good resume in the future too, I'm sure others will be more willing to team up with you. But for now, you still have some ways to go. GL

[BJGenius007]

This last week I had to travel to a casino where a BJ Team was in trouble.

They only had $100,000 and that was inadequate to the level of their betting.

There were two investor-players, and 3 others.

After 6 hrs. 1/3 of the bankroll was gone.

One of the two investors upped and quit and demanded

fully ½ of the remaining funds.

The other investor was infuriated as he had provided

suites and limos for 5 (and ancillary credit line)

He felt betrayed, lied to, abandoned and humiliated.

Anger from (Investor #1) flared.

Investor #2 was unwilling to pay Investor #1

what he demanded, stating that their (verbal)

contract was breached after 6 hrs. of a 3 day sojourn.

At this time cooler heads are looking to prevail,

but an accord is yet to be reached. A work in progress.

Both sides blame the other for dramatically poor play,

though non-player team members were clear that one side,

was intensely exaggerating their skills and had sent signals

that were diametrically opposed to the observable BJ realities.

One of the parties refused to negotiate, and made not-so-veiled

threats of a non-violent nature.

Are you a psychic who can see through the wall, or these five are idiots who argued in public for the casino personnel to see? Seems you watched it happen a few feet away from start to finish.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Are you a psychic who can see through the wall, or these five are idiots who argued in public for the casino personnel to see?
Seems you watched it happen a few feet away from start to finish."

Who are you to be insulting serious high-stakes players ? Oh Yeah ! A BJ Genius !
The two major investor/players have well over a million dollars in (combined winnings.
I trained them both. One is quasi-famous, the other "not so much", preferring privacy.

What I want to know is simply this -- How on earth did you come to the irrational
conclusion that I "watched it happen."

[Freightman]

Who are you to be insulting serious high-stakes players ? Oh Yeah ! A BJ Genius !
The two major investor/players have well over a million dollars in (combined winnings.
I trained them both. One is quasi-famous, the other "not so much", preferring privacy.

What I want to know is simply this -- How on earth did you come to the irrational
conclusion that I "watched it happen."

I'm pretty sure I know who Flash us referring to - at least for one if the investors - and if I'm correct, person in question is high end. Flash may well have been approached to act as intermediary.

In any event, BJG, no offence, but you seem to have this remarkable talent for sticking your foot in your mouth. It's a useful skill, though not profitable u till it emerges from ones backside.

[moses]

I much prefer being a solo artist. Don't have to put up with bullshit.

Ahem. Lol. Amen. The End.

[moses]

I'm pretty sure I know who Flash us referring to - at least for one if the investors - and if I'm correct, person in question is high end. Flash may well have been approached to act as intermediary.

In any event, BJG, no offence, but you seem to have this remarkable talent for sticking your foot in your mouth. It's a useful skill, though not profitable u till it emerges from ones backside.

Who was that other guy that had the same distinction? Oh well, doesn't matter. He's toast with no butter.

Freighter, did you hear about Norm's new toaster?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I'm pretty sure I know who Flash us referring to - at least for one if the investors - and if I'm correct, person in question is high end. Flash may well have been approached to act as intermediary.

YES, I was.

In any event, BJG, no offence, but you seem to have this remarkable talent for sticking your foot in your mouth. It's a useful skill, though not profitable u till it emerges from ones backside.

YES, true dat'.

[Freightman]

Who was that other guy that had the same distinction? Oh well, doesn't matter. He's toast with no butter.

Freighter, did you hear about Norm's new toaster?

No, pray tell.

[Freightman]

"I'm pretty sure I know who Flash us referring to - at least for one if the investors - and if I'm correct, person in question is high end. Flash may well have been approached to act as intermediary. "

And I'm further guessing he is the one that put up the suites limos etc.

[moses]

No, pray tell.

Yes. It will even fry cream puffs.

[BJGenius007]

Who are you to be insulting serious high-stakes players ? Oh Yeah ! A BJ Genius !
The two major investor/players have well over a million dollars in (combined winnings.
I trained them both. One is quasi-famous, the other "not so much", preferring privacy.

What I want to know is simply this -- How on earth did you come to the irrational
conclusion that I "watched it happen."

I was hoping you were a medium with psychic power. Not a intermediary called to the scene.

[SammyBoy]

This last week I had to travel to a casino where a BJ Team was in trouble.

They only had $100,000 and that was inadequate to the level of their betting.

There were two investor-players, and 3 others.

After 6 hrs. 1/3 of the bankroll was gone.

One of the two investors upped and quit and demanded

fully ½ of the remaining funds.

The other investor was infuriated as he had provided

suites and limos for 5 (and ancillary credit line)

He felt betrayed, lied to, abandoned and humiliated.

Anger from (Investor #1) flared.

Investor #2 was unwilling to pay Investor #1

what he demanded, stating that their (verbal)

contract was breached after 6 hrs. of a 3 day sojourn.

At this time cooler heads are looking to prevail,

but an accord is yet to be reached. A work in progress.

Both sides blame the other for dramatically poor play,

though non-player team members were clear that one side,

was intensely exaggerating their skills and had sent signals

that were diametrically opposed to the observable BJ realities.

One of the parties refused to negotiate, and made not-so-veiled

threats of a non-violent nature.

I know the person that you are calling investor #1 and can say without a doubt that his skill level for the play being discussed is unquestionable. I have made a lot of money working with him and I doubt there are more than two or three people out there that can match his skill level. whoever is questioning his skill level has no clue what to even look for and has no understanding of the variance that can be observed in small sample sizes.

The honesty of investor 1 is also above and beyond that of any AP I have ever worked with. On more than one occasion I have had him track me down and give me money from a past play that generated additional rewards that was unexpected. I have seen him do this with may others. He is the only person besides my wife and my Mom that I would trust with 100% of my bankroll.

I know that many of you don't know me and that's fine but I felt compelled to respond. Hopefully Investor 2 will come to his senses and realize that he can't keep someone's bankroll because someone doesn't want to continue working with him.