The KNOCK OUT System-RAD Strategy (KOBS-K-O Basic Strategy)

**MJGolf** · 08-10-2016, 09:30 AM

You have to remember that the KO strategy is based upon a KISS theory. Try to keep the play simpler for those who don't want to memorize specific index's and plays. It's more like a "grouping" or "bucketing" strategy.........

As to these plays:

16 vs. ten -Always stand
12 vs. 2 and 12 vs. 3 -Always stand
11 vs. ace -Always DD
10 vs. ten and 10 vs. ace -Always DD
9 vs. 2 -Always DD

These are all plays that a counter would use in a "POSITIVE" or higher count. So what KO is trying to teach you is that ONCE you reach that index (variation from running count where you pass your pivot point), then you will make these plays. I don't think that ANYONE is telling you to make these in a negative count or in basic strategy. Even KO preaches you MUST learn basic strategy first.

While someone who uses specific indexes for their particular count to vary plays, they would not make all of these at the "exact" same count. But when you are trying to simplify memorization (as in KO), they are just trying to group the ones that are fairly close for you to make the right "deviation" play.

Another method or similar way to play is Arnold Snyder's Hi Lo Lite Count and index play. Both state that your EV is NOT that reduced by 'grouping' similar play variations.

**SALMON** · 01-28-2021, 09:41 AM

HI;

The idea as I see it is sort of a KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) strategy.

If you are going to learn JUST ONE basic strategy, and vary your betting according to the + count you will in the long run make more profit with RAD decisions.

The reason RAD plays make you more money in the long run is because you will have much more money in play when making your IMPORTANT "Basic Strategy" decisions.

So your overall profit will be more than if you were to play regular Basic Strategy decisions during + counts.

As a side benefit it might gain you some cover, since playing that way will make you like like a "dumb" player.

SALMON

**DSchles** · 01-28-2021, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by SALMON

The idea as I see it is sort of a KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) strategy. If you are going to learn JUST ONE basic strategy, and vary your betting according to the + count you will in the long run make more profit with RAD decisions. The reason RAD plays make you more money in the long run is because you will have much more money in play when making your "Basic Strategy" decisions. So your overall profit will be more than if you were to play regular Basic Strategy decisions during + counts. As a side benefit it might gain you some cover, since playing that way will make you like like a "dumb" player.

You're not related to the long-ago poster whose first name began with F, are you?

Don

**BoSox** · 01-28-2021, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by SALMON

The idea as I see it is sort of a KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) strategy. If you are going to learn JUST ONE basic strategy, and vary your betting according to the + count you will in the long run make more profit with RAD decisions. The reason RAD plays make you more money in the long run is because you will have much more money in play when making your "Basic Strategy" decisions. So your overall profit will be more than if you were to play regular Basic Strategy decisions during + counts. As a side benefit it might gain you some cover, since playing that way will make you like like a "dumb" player.

SALMON, welcome aboard. I am hoping that you are in fact the same person that Don is talking about as I always enjoyed your vast contributions. Either way again welcome.

**SALMON** · 01-28-2021, 10:34 AM

No.

Not the same person.

I do come out of the very deep Blackjack past, however.

1960's to 1970.

Regards,

SALMON

**SALMON** · 01-29-2021, 10:17 AM

1960's to 1970. I was winning in Blackjack at the time. It was before Thorp's first edition. When his book first come out, his group with celeb Henry Morgan visited. He was loosing money non stop. They did not even pay for expenses. So a pit boss told him to watch my play.

Then he asked me if he could mention my name in his up and coming rewrite.

Of course, I said no.

My cover nick name in the casinos was SALMON, because salmon swim up against the stream. But casinos all thought they would get me "ala larga", (in the long run). SALMON in Puerto Rico slang means JERK. I wore the grungiest clothes I could put to get together. Not seedy or dirty, so as to be repulsive. But mismatched colors, seersucker type stuff, etc. I DID NOT LOOK OR APPEAR LIKE A PERSON WHO COULD BE A WINNER I had a jerky cover image, dress, rode around in a motor scooter, "because I could not afford a car". I had 2 cars. A jerk because i would sometimes toward the end of the 2 deck shoe, play all 7 hands for $1. i would then hit a 2-10 20, or hit till I busted an A,8 or 9, or stand on 5,5, etc, as the shoe ran out, leaving a pile of small cards on the table.

I applied my personal invention of what Thorp then called, in his next edition, "end play". This meant when the dealer would shuffle the deck for the next round the would be about 10 or 12 small cards that would not be included, giving me a favorable next round right from the beginning.

End game usually in Blackjack has a different meaning. It means when the deck is loaded with 10's and A's to play big at the end of a deck, often taking multiple hands.

I would joke around having first gone to PR as a comic working the clubs and hotels down there, when I discovered the game and figured it out. I had a strong science and math background, having gotten unheard of 100 out of 100 in state wide regent exams. I graduated from the very exclusive and elite Bronx High School of Science.

i realized, also having been a professional magician my teens, that playing cards were not random, and many card tricks require memory and math principles. I was able to have conversations while playing. The rules at the time were $1 Min $50 Max, again set by the government, not the casinos. That is what I always bet. Either $1 or $50. One of my many running lines was "No luck! Bet a buck! Get a hunch! Bet a bunch!"

Thorp, without permission, exposed my method of play in his next edition.

Thorp recently wrote he could not go back at the time to Puerto Rico because he would be barred. That is not accurate because the rules of blackjack at the time were mandated by the government. They did however change the rules, because of my play, but it took a while because it had to go through the government legislature.

REGARDS;

SALMON

More stories to come.

**DSchles** · 01-29-2021, 02:53 PM

Tried to send you a private message, but it said you were unable to receive.

Don

**SALMON** · 01-29-2021, 07:23 PM

Dear Don;
Not sure how to fix it. Am home now as I am most of the time.
But my email is [email protected]

Feel free to communicate whatever way you prefer.

Usually up until 2 in the morning or more.
Any day of the week as I am locked down because of Covid 2019.
When business is normal we are busy every weekend and every day July and August.