I have heard conflicting things about obtaining a players card under a fake ID. What are things that you need to be concerned about? Also what are my legal rights, (if any) if I should get caught by the casino? I have been an AP for quite some time, but this is the first time I am delving into the world of using fake ID's. I will not be using them for machine play.
If you get a player card using a fake ID and then lock the fake ID away off site before you start playing and don't use any comps or other marketing offers (i.e., just use the card to play and never bring the fake ID back into the casino ever) the legal risk to you is low to non-existent. You are free to use whatever name you want when you play. If you use the fake ID to redeem comps and other marketing offers the legal risk starts to go up....even if you're not a machine player.
It can be argued that marketing offers you receive are earned by you regardless of what name you use (or how many names you use). The casino (and often their law enforcement friends) will argue that it's fraud or worse. Either way, lawyers and considerable legal expense may be involved. Criminal defense attorneys are notoriously expensive. (Hash Tag Billable Hours)
It's complicated, but in general, just possessing a fake government ID is illegal. Playing under a fake player's card is legal. Redeeming comps on the fake player's card is illegal. If you're caught with a fake player's card, they can 86 you--your rights are the same as any other AP. If you are caught redeeming comps under a fake name, they can detain you until the police arrive. If you are caught with a fake ID, consult an attorney in your state.Originally Posted by BlackjackFeign
I think it would be smarter just to go to the slots, pick up a lost card, use that, and then toss the card. If you're caught, 'I can't use my friend's card?'
A card holder's picture, DOB, etc. is in the data base.
When you are caught because you are 27 yrs. old and
the (legit) card holder is 65 you will be in trouble,
unless you immediately present your 'real' ID
Furthermore, if you NEED a Social Security Number
to get a hand-paid jackpot, including a BIG bonus
at a table game, or you have accidentally triggered
a C.R.T. you will be in trouble beyond not getting paid.
Note if you are found to have fictitious I.D. at a border
customs stop or at an airport etc. you will wind up in jail.
Yeah, but it seems like they usually just swipe the card without looking at your bio. This doesn't seem any different than having someone get a card for you to abuse, and it's preferable to breaking the law, IMO. I guess if you're saying it doesn't work very well, then it probably isn't worth doing.
No you wouldn't. They have to pay you. Breaking player's card rules is no basis for the casino to commit larceny. But, in such situations, you would have to give them your proper credentials and possibly get 86ed.
here is a simple example for you.
You decide to play BJ with that side-bet re: queens.
The Count is high as a kite so you drop a red chip on the side bet.
The dealer and you have 3 suited Queens (or whatever it is.)
The dealer summons the Pit Critter, who summons the Pit Boss.
You are given a slip of paper directing the cage to promptly dispense
$5,000 to you; only when you go to collect, a tax form is presented.
You are told that the game may be blackjack but a side-bet or bonus
that large is considered to be the equivalent of a "JackPot" The same
goes for Poker Tournament winnings that exceed $5,000. If you put in
a bogus Social Security number, the computer rejects it and you'll not
be paid. You will demand to see the Shift Manager. In his own sweet
time s/he shows and tells you that you are no longer welcome in the
casino. Tax Evasion is certainly a crime but the casino will not likely
turn you in. You may want to get paid - so you admit the truth - and
then you have exposed yourself as having played with fictitious I.D.
The casino will trespass you and they MAY or may not pay you, as you
played under false pretenses.
If you simply ignore the big bonus, or walk away, you can be certain that
you have "outed" yourself.
RE: CTR Try cashing out after inadvertently transacting in excess of
$10,000 in the course of a "casino day." Good Luck.
Why would you do that? And how does using a fake ID to obtain a new fake player's card--instead of picking up a lost player's card, change this situation in the least? I'm still not following. It appeared you were advocating against picking up a lost card in favor of using a fake ID--but you're losing me.
If you "found" a lost player's card and (somehow) nobody
notices that you are not a 72 year old Chinese female (LOL)
you MUST provide a ("working") Social Security Number
under certain circumstances. You cannot do that, nor can you
do that with fictitious I.D.
I was NOT advocating for any plan, but simply explaining
a major drawback to playing under ANY assumed identity.
LOL...I think if this happened to one of several past or current posters, they'd want to sue the casino for racial and gender discrimination.
Well now I follow you. But if you have an assumed identity, you can just use a credit privacy number instead of a social security number and they'll never know (I'm just kidding!).
I think the best route would be to not play machines under said alias and use your real name to play the machines. Most machine players don't catch heat like table game players, right? I know machine players can be backed off, but it much less common from what i understand.
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