It should have written except WHERE ...
It should not have stated except IN ...
Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash
The EXCEPT is not an exception to the bound. Not being able to hit 21's is defined by saying the cards must total less than 21. An exception would be all totals less than 21 except when they equal 5, for instance. The second bullet is just further defining that 21's must not draw additional cards, including soft 21's. The EXCEPT is incorrect and superfluous in my opinion. It could just be omitted or replaced with something like FURTHERMORE.
Last edited by Bubbles; 09-24-2016 at 03:22 PM.
It seems to me, the "Pit Bull" got a little confused..I would almost bet ya he was seeing it like getting a TEN when you SPLIT Aces where the rules prohibit you from drawing another card..(Its possible he thought you WERE Splitting Aces)..Nevertheless if it was DAS game then by all means you can DOUBLE on Any first cards two After Splitting-even if its a Hard 20. Edit: I suppose there might be Casinos out there that DO prohibit Doubling Soft 21 on Ten Splits..
Sidenote: He Probably instinctively just probably called it a natural even knowing it was still 21..Probably never seen this play before..
Last edited by Jack Jackson; 09-25-2016 at 10:55 PM.
No, he was just clueless. Some states allow taking an extra card on soft OR hard 21. Some don't allow either. Ohio rules state you can take an extra card on soft 21 but not hard 21. Remember, this is regarding shoe games. Pitch would be different.
I just had another situation in Indiana yesterday. 3 handed at end of the shoe. First two guys got BJ. I got Face face vs dealer 6. I split them 4 times and got two faces on first 2 hands for 20, and Ace on the 3rd hand for soft 21 (after a brief discussion with the pit boss, he said Indiana law prohibits taking an extra card on soft or hard 21), and a 2 on the 4th hand. Dealer immediately busted.
It would be wise to know the rules if you are willing to make this sort of play.
Understand that giving up a nearly certain win for an
easy loss, (of double money), is a formula for failure.
Also ~ losing thusly may still mark you as a card counter
when surveillance checks the tape to see what the T.C. was.
Also ~ winning thusly will irritate the suits as they may feel
that you have "gotten over" on them.
Hey there ZMF, I understand your RA based comments, especially vis-a-vis heat. But on a recent trip, every Tom Dick and Harry (and a few Janes and Christines) were doubling down on their soft 21s (otherwise known as a natural or a blackjack). So, I did it once, when my betting count was way into the zone for doubling an 11. Got a X valued card, for 21, and dealer's 6, busted.
So, there are indeed times, just like Joel said in Risky Business, "you gotta say WTF!!!" Toked Dealer, and the floor women who had watched me run through a mini-shoe of really bad first 2 cards/hits/splits and doubles, exclaim, "FINALLY! You got one! That was awesome!" So, there are times when it pays off, and there are definitely camouflage benefits to doubling down on a blackjack (Local ploppy play wholly controlled the decision to make that double down decision). Blended right in with the local yokels, and floor people cheered me on throughout my mid-week visit.
"Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it."
Fictitious Boston Attorney Frank Galvin (Paul Newman - January 26, 1925 - September 26, 2008) in The Verdict, 1982, lambasting Trial Judge Hoyle (Milo Donal O'Shea - June 2, 1926 - April 2, 2013) - http://imdb.com/title/tt0084855/
As we have met and I do trust you, I hereby depose and exclaim "W.T.F." !
You are unambiguously stating that "every ..." were doubling their 21's.
My astonishment stems from my having played BJ for several decades
in many states and countries; never having seen that.
I once saw a drunk hit a hard 20 and get an ACE.
Was this a charity event with people trying to lose quickly and get to the cash bar?
Were these desert-dwelling alcoholics or denizens of a psychiatric "half-way house"?
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