DD on Soft 21

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 07-23-2016, 03:05 PM

LOL. I get 28, not 32.

**Frank Galvin** · 07-23-2016, 03:47 PM

ZMF, 1^2 for the 2,3,6 and 7 = 4
2^2 for the 4 and 5 = 8
-2^2 for the T,J,Q and K = 16

4+8+16 = 28

hmmmmmm

sqrt(28/10) = sqrt(2.8) = 1.????
On cell phone so no access to sqrt function.

**Tarzan** · 07-23-2016, 05:38 PM

Unless they were paying it as a blackjack, it's a 21. For A,Tvs5&6 after T,T split, I have +7 for A,Tvs5 and +6 for A,Tvs6. Maybe it depends on where you're playing and the mood of the pit that day?

**Stealth** · 07-23-2016, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by DSchles

"I believe that it is correct to make a Zen T.C. of +12 EQUAL to a Hi-Lo T.C. of +8"

Not quite.Sum of squares of the Zen tags is 32. SS of Hi-Lo is 10. Sqrt(32/10) = 1.79. So, Zen TC of 12 = Hi-Lo TC of 12/1.79 = 6.7. I was closer! :-)

Don

Just to confirm, am I to understand that a correlation of TC's can be made by

SS of the tags of both systems
Determine the sqrt(ss count divided by the smaller ss count)
With the results being the ratio of the TC's to each other?

Helpful information!

**DSchles** · 07-23-2016, 05:54 PM

To be able to make an apples-to-apples comparison of the counts, I guess I used -2 for the ace in Hi-Opt II. Difficult to compare when one count is side counting and one isn't. Sorry. In any event, it's 32 for Zen.

Don

**DSchles** · 07-23-2016, 05:57 PM

"sqrt(28/10) = sqrt(2.8) = 1.????"

1.67. So Hi-Opt II TC = 12 is Hi-Lo 7.17. But that wasn't the original question. The original question was the Hi-Lo equivalent of ZEN +12. And I answered that.

Don

**Three** · 07-23-2016, 06:01 PM

The only time you would talk about equivalent TC's is for betting. Every card the count is adjusted for for betting must be included that adds another -2^2 to the 28 for 32. If for some reason you are equating playing counts you don't include the ace unless the need is specific enough to have an ace adjustment.

**DSchles** · 07-23-2016, 07:51 PM

As I said. ... :-)

Don

**gutshot** · 09-24-2016, 06:49 AM

State Gaming has completed their investigation of the incident. Unfortunately they were unable to verify the footage of the incident because by the time I filed my report (3 weeks after it happened) and the time it took gaming to get with the casino (another week or two), the casino deleted the video footage. Apparently they discard footage after 30 days.

However, in talking to the casino, gaming determined they were not making the correct decision on this particular hand situation. As a result, I should have been allowed to double down on soft 21 after a split. From here on out the dealers/pit bosses will be trained on this situation. So if you are ever in SW Ohio area, make sure they let you DD on that soft 21!

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 09-24-2016, 08:30 AM

Doubling on a 2 card 21 is FORBIDDEN in New Jersey.

**DSchles** · 09-24-2016, 09:22 AM

"Doubling on a 2 card 21 is FORBIDDEN in New Jersey."

Are you sure it's any two-card 21 or just an original hand (blackjack)?

Don

**gutshot** · 09-24-2016, 11:34 AM

New Jersey Gaming Law:

13:69F-2.12 Drawing of additional cards by players and the dealer
(a) A player may elect to draw additional cards whenever his or her point
count total is less than 21 except that:
1. A player having blackjack or a hard or soft total of 21 may not draw additional cards

The last sentence is where Ohio is different. They just state you cannot take additional cards if you have a hard total of 21.

**DSchles** · 09-24-2016, 12:13 PM

Stupid language.

"(a) A player may elect to draw additional cards whenever his or her point
count total is less than 21 except that:
1. A player having blackjack or a hard or soft total of 21 may not draw additional cards

Why would you write "except"?? the second statement doesn't contradict the first!

Don