advice from the pros

**Freightman** · 07-18-2016, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Ryemo

I wasn't implying that he could beat the 6:5 shoe game with aggressive Wonging. I meant if he was playing a regular 3:2 shoe. If he only played positive counts in the 3:2 game, it could be beaten.

Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

It wasn't clear, thanks for clarifying. Depending on factors - yes - can be beaten.

**sdanny29** · 07-18-2016, 01:52 PM

Great advice thanks everybody.

Sorry I dont know how to calculate up the percentages yet but what if I had $1k played a 6D 3:2 $10 shoe game 10:1 spread back counting coming in at TC+2 and wonging in and out playing nothing under TC2? Is this beatable? and what would be the percentage of beating it?

**Freightman** · 07-18-2016, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by sdanny29

Great advice thanks everybody.

Sorry I dont know how to calculate up the percentages yet but what if I had $1k played a 6D 3:2 $10 shoe game 10:1 spread back counting coming in at TC+2 and wonging in and out playing nothing under TC2? Is this beatable? and what would be the percentage of beating it?

Still, very risky. If your roll is replenishable, then what are the exact rules. From there, House Edge can be determined, and your amount of edge can be calculated. Regardless - risky.

**sdanny29** · 07-18-2016, 02:18 PM

what im looking at is 6D 3:2 H17, DAS, RSA 10:1 spread. Im ok with risk due to my roll is replenishable I just don't want to go in lost before I ever sit down

**Three** · 07-18-2016, 02:38 PM

I would suggest staying out of the casino and studying and practicing for months to a year while saving up a BR. You don't want to is it a casino until your are polished except maybe a visit here and there to see just how unprepared you still are. Results won't mean anything. It is about who well you handle counting etc.

**sdanny29** · 07-18-2016, 02:42 PM

That's what I have been doing for about 2 years now practicing on casino verite I'm perfect at keeping the count and my strategy of right play is 98-100% correct do I need more than that to start my casino play?

**Three** · 07-18-2016, 02:58 PM

I would want 100% accuracy on everything but many seem to be okay with errors. They talk of counting 2 tables at once and other things that can't be done perfectly. How do you know you are making mistakes? Are you checking afterwards. Most mistakes made are never known because you thought you were doing the right play to start with. Once you have gone there it is hard to realize a mistake was made.

**sdanny29** · 07-18-2016, 03:07 PM

I'm getting those percentages from casino verite I have it set where it notifies me of any errors with it set to basic strategy with basic deviations . Also from running the drills that the program has as well

**Ryemo** · 07-18-2016, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Even aggressive wonging won't do it.

Originally Posted by Freightman

It wasn't clear, thanks for clarifying. Depending on factors - yes - can be beaten.

I edited my original response to clarify for other readers.

**Freightman** · 07-18-2016, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

I would want 100% accuracy on everything but many seem to be okay with errors. They talk of counting 2 tables at once and other things that can't be done perfectly. How do you know you are making mistakes? Are you checking afterwards. Most mistakes made are never known because you thought you were doing the right play to start with. Once you have gone there it is hard to realize a mistake was made.

That's like waiting to have kids until you can afford them. In other words, you will never have them. Sooner or later, you have to take your perfect software play and try it out in the real world, with all of the distractions that it entails. So, take the plunge and try real world play. You will NEVER learn the games nuances until you do.

**BJPloppy** · 07-18-2016, 09:39 PM

So that's why my wife and I don't have kids. We thought we were being prudent. As we have both turned 60...do you think we should take the plunge and try real world kids? I am thinking we should be able to afford them any minute now.

Originally Posted by Freightman

That's like waiting to have kids until you can afford them. In other words, you will never have them. Sooner or later, you have to take your perfect software play and try it out in the real world, with all of the distractions that it entails. So, take the plunge and try real world play. You will NEVER learn the games nuances until you do.

**stopgambling** · 07-19-2016, 10:25 AM

With a 1k bank roll playing $10 min. games with a wong in /out style is possible to win . The other factors of the games are very important to know if it's possible . Penetration and how crowded is the game are most first consideration in your situation assuming heat will not be a factor at those stake. i would wong in at tc3 with $25 and bet $50 at tc4 if the pen is 75% for 6deck , The problem is you will be standing a lot. The other way i would do it is spread 1-10 wong out negative tc -1 by first 1-1.5 deck.you should have 2k for this . Again suggestion is made for replenishible bank . be ready to lose all 10 tries .

**Three** · 07-19-2016, 10:31 AM

I was never comfortable back counting exclusively. I feel I stick out like a sore thumb. Most that exclusively back count get picked off pretty quick. I would mix it up with some of both. This would look more natural.