High Count Play Variations

[BetWise21]

I am new as you will be able to tell by my posts. I am learning HI-LO, I18 and Fab 4, Play mostly 6 and 8 decks shoes, DAS, H17, no SUR, my question is if you have a high true count such as 4 derived from a running count of 20 with 5 decks remaining would you bet differently if the true count was 4 derived from a running count of 4 with 1 deck remaining?

[Norm]

The accepted answer is no. Indeed, a purpose of true counts is to create a number that has the same meaning for playing and betting throughout the shoe. There is a nuance called "floating advantage" which states that there is an increase in the EV of a TC as you get deeper into the shoe. But, it's minor and almost no one pays attention to it.

[stopgambling]

There is a higher chance of error from deck estimation which is very important. You may think it's a deck but it could be 1.25 deck,therefore you are worst off then the former estimation. The fewer cards that's left the easier one can make a deck estimation error.

[Freightman]

The accepted answer is no. Indeed, a purpose of true counts is to create a number that has the same meaning for playing and betting throughout the shoe. There is a nuance called "floating advantage" which states that there is an increase in the EV of a TC as you get deeper into the shoe. But, it's minor and almost no one pays attention to it.

Notwithstanding that Op has asked his best question - I do pay attention to the floating advantage when the shoe is very deeply dealt.

[BetWise21]

So you might increase your bet at the same count if it came up in deeper penetration ?

[Freightman]

So you might increase your bet at the same count if it came up in deeper penetration ?

The answer is yes - again - understand that the concept of the floating advantage takes hold at very DEEP deck pen. Fir example 4.5/6 simply does not justify the floating advantage. There is some good info on this concept in BJA 3.

[BetWise21]

That's the stuff I am trying to learn the difference between a card counting gambler and true AP play, although I must admit I like to gamble some


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[Jabberwocky]

That's the stuff I am trying to learn the difference between a card counting gambler and true AP play, although I must admit I like to gamble some


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As a true AP, you should despise gambling.

[BetWise21]

I'm sure I am truly beating a dead horse with you guys but I want to ask, 16 v 10. It is my understanding that in Hi-Lo, if possible, surrender is the best option unless at true -4 then hit is better. If surrender is not available then stand on 0 and up, but hit negative running counts. If that is correct does that negate the idea of a standing on a 3 card 16 containing a 4 or a 5? or should play it the same as two card hand?

[BetWise21]

As a true AP, you should despise gambling.

If I can ever learn enough to rightfully call myself an AP, I promise I will

[bec88]

Just starting out I might suggest not worrying about it at this point. Getting good with your count and betting is far more important that worrying about floating advantage right now.

[Freightman]

Just starting out I might suggest not worrying about it at this point. Getting good with your count and betting is far more important that worrying about floating advantage right now.

Pay attention 21mgr. Bec is right. Learn your count and get proficient with your index play before venturing into nuances.

[Three]

If that is correct does that negate the idea of a standing on a 3 card 16 containing a 4 or a 5?

Yes. Composition dependent play is based on the idea you are not counting and the only info you have to go on is your cards and the dealers card. As a counter you are using the info gathered for all cards seen after the last shuffle. The number of cards in your hand has no effect unless the casino is paying some sort of bonus payout for multi-card hands. If so that must be factored into the decision. You hardly ever see the multi-card bonus offered at BJ.