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**BetWise21** · 07-05-2016, 04:01 PM

Wow, I guess they will just say anything in some of those books I've read

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**Eye of the Eagle** · 07-05-2016, 04:16 PM

[QUOTE=It varies by number of players and how the other players play.[/QUOTE]

Does that mean there are a order to the cards?

**Norm** · 07-05-2016, 04:34 PM

Of course not. Think about it. When does the dealer draw cards?

**Eye of the Eagle** · 07-05-2016, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

Of course not. Think about it. When does the dealer draw cards?

Until the dealer hits 17 or Hit soft 17.

**BetWise21** · 07-05-2016, 04:39 PM

The dealer hits if he has 16 and in some games when he has A-6, soft 17

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**BetWise21** · 07-05-2016, 04:42 PM

Or less

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**Norm** · 07-05-2016, 04:47 PM

The point is that with one player, the dealer cannot bust if the player gets a BJ or busts. With six players, the dealer may bust if any of the six players is still in the game. The number of players dramatically changes the dealer bust rate. But, has zero effect on EV. Dealer bust rate is a useless stat.

**NotEnoughHeat** · 07-05-2016, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle

Until the dealer hits 17 or Hit soft 17.

Does the dealer draw cards when all the players have are busts or blackjacks?

Is it easier for five players to have their hands resolved before the dealer draws or for two players?

EDIT: Norm beat me to it by a few seconds

**Eye of the Eagle** · 07-05-2016, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

Of course not. Think about it. When does the dealer draw cards?

One more guess. Only when the players hands have not busted out and dealer has 16 or less and it's a H soft 17 game.

**Eye of the Eagle** · 07-05-2016, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by NotEnoughHeat

Does the dealer draw cards when all the players have are busts or blackjacks?

Is it easier for five players to have their hands resolved before the dealer draws or for two players?

EDIT: Norm beat me to it by a few seconds

We must have had the same idea at the same time.

**NotEnoughHeat** · 07-05-2016, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle

One more guess. Only when the players hands have not busted out and dealer has 16 or less and it's a H soft 17 game.

You have to be careful about your logical connectives there. Are you saying that that the dealer doesn't draw cards when the players hands have not busted out and the dealer has 16 or less but it's a S17 game? Also lets not forget blackjacks.

P.S. I know I'm being pedantic.

**BetWise21** · 07-05-2016, 05:15 PM

I can comprehend that !

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**bigplayer** · 07-05-2016, 06:01 PM

Countiing is a grind. Eliot knows that in the short run a counter isn't going to crush the casino (anyone who does crush the casino while counting it's the result of variance not EV). Eliot's point is that casinos should worry about other more advanced type plays where the EV isn't 1%, it can be 4%, 8% or 12% (or even 100%). I don't know Eliot personally, we played at the same table many years ago at the IP on the strip though. I'll vouch that his book on Advanced Advantage Play is worth the money.