Which Count To Use

[BJPloppy]

Post after post after post saying the same damn thing.

Look, this is a forum. I will NOT censor polite opinions and polite discussion. It is disruptive to interrupt every discussion you don't like. And I will NOT dumb this forum down so that it is only for beginners. This is an AP forum -- not a HiLo forum. It's like going to a physics forum and interrupting every discussion of Quantum Mechanics with complaints that it is misleading to kids studying Newton.

It is not misleading to talk about subjects other than HiLo.

Woo Saa Norm

[LoneWoLF]

Post after post after post saying the same damn thing.

Look, this is a forum. I will NOT censor polite opinions and polite discussion. It is disruptive to interrupt every discussion you don't like. And I will NOT dumb this forum down so that it is only for beginners. This is an AP forum -- not a HiLo forum. It's like going to a physics forum and interrupting every discussion of Quantum Mechanics with complaints that it is misleading to kids studying Newton.

It is not misleading to talk about subjects other than HiLo.

Why are you inferring that because someone uses HiLo they are beginners? See this is the notion that is completely wrong here and why many then also mistakenly think they need something more 'advanced' because it seems to easy. Newsflash, blackjack is as simple as that, people are trying to recreate the game with false illusions that they need something more advanced or that their game can be vastly improved by such advanced count. Once people realize the key to making money counting is as simple as Hilo, then they'll make real money. The problem is also im not interrupting anything but rather trying to get people on the right track. Whats the point of talking about something that is irrelevant and obsolete? You say this is an AP forum so why are you talking about things that wont make you more money? Isnt the goal to make money?

I have no problem with sequencing or shuffle tracking as that is a legitimate AP technique, but in terms of counting and what system to use, once again newsflash to everyone, its not brain surgery and doing 1000 side counts wont get you more money in *SHOE GAMES*. It's as simple as Hilo and once people realize that, they'll actually become a threat. Lastly, if the people that were asking about all these super counts and side counts played primarily pitch games, i wouldnt have a problem, but the vast majority of 'which count should i use' people are playing primarily shoe games and AVERAGE shoe games. Their mentality should be completely the opposite, they should be playing the BEST games with a simple count, NOT average games with a level 10 count. You see the problem here? People are worrying about the wrong things and im trying to get people to focus. And again the problem is that pitch games is not the way to make money anymore, as you will get tossed very quickly or not get enough hours in to make it worthwhile due to heat, so the way to make money in modern day blackjack is 6-8 deck games and because of that SIDE COUNTS AND SUPER NON-LINEAR COUNTS ARE OBSOLETE.

[Norm]

1. I "implied" no such thing.
2. HiLo is fine. Hi-Opt II is fine. AOII is fine. RPC is fine. KO is fine. All the respected systems are fine. But, they do not have the same results and saying that everything but HiLo is obsolete is simply nonsensical.
3. It is apparently your opinion that HiLo is the only count people should use. Other people have other opinions. This is a forum. I will NOT limit discussion to the one count that you like.

It is not only disruptive, it is downright nonsense to say that Anything more complex than HiLo is obsolete. You are simply wrong. It's also boring to keep posting the same thing over and over.

[Bigdaddy]

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[Jabberwocky]

Playing Spanish 21 with side count in a level 3 system will get you to N0 much faster than will a level 1 ace reckoned count.

[LoneWoLF]

1. I "implied" no such thing.
2. HiLo is fine. Hi-Opt II is fine. AOII is fine. RPC is fine. KO is fine. All the respected systems are fine. But, they do not have the same results and saying that everything but HiLo is obsolete is simply nonsensical.
3. It is apparently your opinion that HiLo is the only count people should use. Other people have other opinions. This is a forum. I will NOT limit discussion to the one count that you like.

It is not only disruptive, it is downright nonsense to say that Anything more complex than HiLo is obsolete. You are simply wrong. It's also boring to keep posting the same thing over and over.

I would agree with you if what I said was wrong, but because im not wrong it's not disruptive. When did telling people the truth about what really makes money, is a bad thing? So you rather have people going down the wrong path just because it's a forum? Isnt a forum ultimately there to lead people down the right path and share ideas that actually help them rather than stall their progress? Whats the point of exchanging ideas if all you're doing is exchanging nonsense? People will learn nothing. Your physics example was also apples to oranges.

[LoneWoLF]

Playing Spanish 21 with side count in a level 3 system will get you to N0 much faster than will a level 1 ace reckoned count.

So will a level 100 super non-linear tarzan count playing an 8 deck 60% pen game. Meanwhile im playing a 90% game with hilo and making 3 times as much. See the problem? You guys are focusing on things that dont matter. If you put all that effort into scouting and traveling, you would be far better off. Then some will say, not all can travel, then it still doesnt matter cause these super non linear counts make pennies more anyway playing these garbage average pen games.

[Norm]

Where are you getting your information from? Why do you believe all counts have the same results in shoes? Why do you think everyone should use one particular count? Why do you believe sims don't tell you anything? Who is feeding you this nonsense? You're starting to sound like Jst@t.

[LoneWoLF]

Where are you getting your information from? Why do you believe all counts have the same results in shoes? Why do you think everyone should use one particular count? Why do you believe sims don't tell you anything? Who is feeding you this nonsense?

It's called real world experience, something many dont have. Besides the real money out there is knowing how to frame casinos and provoke them into injuring you and then suing them for high 5 or low 6 figures. Thats the real way to make money. And no one should have any pity on these worthless scum enterprises.

[Norm]

Ahh, empirical evidence. George Burns lived a century and smoked cigars constantly. Should his Doctor advise you to smoke for long life? Empirical evidence would say yes.

You have an opinion. One that flies in the face of decades of research as well as experience. You stated your opinion (many, many times). Constantly interrupting other people that hold other opinions (based on math) and would like to discuss them, with your empirical evidence is disruptive.

Also, your insinuation that others here do not have real world experience is way out of line.

[LoneWoLF]

Ahh, empirical evidence. George Burns lived a century and smoked cigars constantly. Should his Doctor advise you to smoke for long life? Empirical evidence would say yes.

You have an opinion. One that flies in the face of decades of research as well as experience. You stated your opinion (many, many times). Constantly interrupting other people that hold other opinions (based on math) and would like to discuss them, with your empirical evidence is disruptive.

Also, your insinuation that others here do not have real world experience is way out of line.

How is real world experience, empirical? At the end of the day, it's what happens in the real world, not what happens in a sim. Will you still say it's empirical after 50 years? We only have so much time on this earth and at the end of the day it's what happens in the real world that matters.

[Norm]

Yes, real world experience is, by definition, empirical evidence and has led humankind to believing all manner of nonsense in our history. Nowadays, more people rely on the the sciences.

Speaker’s Corner, IIRC, is in the North-East corner of London’s Hyde Park. Here anyone can mount a soapbox and talk about most anything they want without bothering everyone else in the park. Why don't you start a thread in the Disadvantage Forum where you can discuss your beliefs without constantly interrupting people that want to discuss other subjects?

[Stealth]

Besides the real money out there is knowing how to frame casinos and provoke them into injuring you and then suing them for high 5 or low 6 figures.

Dumber than a box of rocks!

Nersesian will love you.