Ploppy Stopper: Best way to ask someone not to enter a hot shoe

**dharmaprija** · 12-23-2012, 03:41 AM

Tthree inspired me to start this thread, what are some of the best, most effective ways, you have found to prevent others from entering into a shoe that is positive EV or "hot", high count? Depending on how deep we are in the shoe I generally say something like: "If you don't mind I would like to play out the rest of this shoe, it is finally getting good and I am trying to recoup some of my losses" OR "Would you mind waiting til the shuffle, I'm finally getting a little of my $ back?". I know you guys got better ones.....

**sickofpoker** · 12-23-2012, 04:41 AM

Great thread idea!

"Oh, good. Another player. I can't remember the last time I won a hand. Maybe you'll change my luck!"

Maybe start carrying stink bombs? Or sit in seat 3 or 4 and make unpleasant noises? Or start coughing all over the place and clearing your throat?

You could start talking to them incessantly and exhibit unusual behavior.

Light a large cheap cigar with a strong odor.

**Goatlife** · 12-23-2012, 08:04 AM

"look, im in for a couple of grand and im tilting out. I don't want my play to affect your hands but i want to play how i want to play. Can you wait till the end of the shoe so i don't screw things up for both of us?"

If they know you are a "bad " player they usually just find another table and thank you for the warning .

**21forme** · 12-23-2012, 08:10 AM

Split tens

RS · 12-23-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by glenwiggy

In ten years of card-counting, I've had the privilege of sitting among many other counters. Most are methodical and serious. Does anyone have a sense of humor? Do you? Please let me know if you think the following story is funny:

~ The Genius ~
During a drive from Omaha to Oklahoma City to visit my parents, I stopped at a roadside casino in some no-name Kansas town. I wanted to play a few hands to break the monotony of driving. I sat at a blackjack table which had no posted rules. Since the dealer had been in the middle of a chip exchange with the pit boss and security staff, I asked the only player at the table a couple questions. The man was diminutive, probably weighing less than 100 pounds, and wore thick, black-framed glasses.
"What are the double-down rules? Do they offer surrender?"
Without looking in my direction, the wee man said, "Some dogs are named Talmadge."
I responded inquisitively, "Pardon."?
The man repeated with a ton of attitude, "SOME DOGS ARE NAMED TALMADGE!"
I stood up and slowly walked from the table saying, ?Oooookay then.? The guy might have been mentally challenged. Some dogs are named Talmadge? Or maybe he was intoxicated or under the influence of something stronger than alcohol. Either way, I had determined he should remain in solitude. I found another table where I played head's up with the dealer. A half hour later, a loud, obnoxious woman approached the game. She started blabbering even before taking a seat, and did not stop talking when the cards were dealt.
"We have been on the road all day in that blasted sun—Cousin Mary is driving me crazy in the RV—If we don't get to Yellowstone soon, I'm gonna bust—Where is the potty in this place?"?
She wouldn't stop yammering. Eventually, she turned my way.
"Hi, my name's Shelly, I'm from Rolla, Missouri—What's your name?"
I had looked straight ahead, thought a moment, and responded, "Some dogs are named Talmadge."
"Dogs are whaaaaat?"?Shelly responded with a puzzled look on her face.
I shouted, "SOME DOGS ARE NAMED TALMADGE!"?
The woman quit talking for the first time and gently pulled herself away from the table, all the while giving me a strange look. The dealer, pit boss and security staff gave me puzzled looks as well, but continued their business. At that moment, I had realized that the little guy with the thick, black-framed glasses was a genius.

This

**Tom** · 12-23-2012, 10:40 AM

I talk to the empty chair next to me and help them with their hands.

**sickofpoker** · 12-23-2012, 11:31 AM

It splits its tens or else it gets the hose.

**Ouchez** · 12-23-2012, 12:31 PM

Ask nicely, and then if they jump in nothing you can do, till the next shoe

Ouchez

**Nyne** · 12-23-2012, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ouchez

Ask nicely, and then if they jump in nothing you can do, till the next shoe

Ouchez

This is usually my approach. It seems to work more often than not. When I'm asking, I have big bets out, and in my experience a lot of people don't want to be the reason for somebody else to lose a lot. When they don't want to wait out the shoe, I'll ask them to give me just a few more hands. Usually they will at least do that. If the count drops, I say thanks for waiting. If the count stays high, I'll ask again for them to wait a couple more hands. Maybe I'm giving up some value by not being more aggressive?

**Ouchez** · 12-23-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Nyne

This is usually my approach. It seems to work more often than not. When I'm asking, I have big bets out, and in my experience a lot of people don't want to be the reason for somebody else to lose a lot. When they don't want to wait out the shoe, I'll ask them to give me just a few more hands. Usually they will at least do that. If the count drops, I say thanks for waiting. If the count stays high, I'll ask again for them to wait a couple more hands. Maybe I'm giving up some value by not being more aggressive?

Nyne,

I think you are right on,,,I have seen some major brawls almost erupt at the tables over just such situations mishandled in one way or the other.

Best,
Ouchez

**mofungoo** · 12-23-2012, 02:58 PM

What about the flip side of that situation, say there are 3 plops at a table betting $5 or $10 and one of them asks if you mind waiting as you are about to bet $100? When that happened to me I ignored the request and got berated when I made the bet. He lost and I won so he goes off about me stealing "his" cards, cusses me out, and leaves. I just shook my head and ignored him.

**sickofpoker** · 12-27-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by mofungoo

What about the flip side of that situation, say there are 3 plops at a table betting $5 or $10 and one of them asks if you mind waiting as you are about to bet $100? When that happened to me I ignored the request and got berated when I made the bet. He lost and I won so he goes off about me stealing "his" cards, cusses me out, and leaves. I just shook my head and ignored him.

Noo speka engrish

Even more effective when it's obvious you do speak english.

**Norm** · 12-27-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by sickofpoker

Noo speka engrish

Even more effective when it's obvious you do speak english.

“Noo speka engrish” may not have the best effect. Summon your best British accent and say “I’m most sorry, but I never got the hang of the English language. In fact, I only know three English words – other than the words I am now parroting from phonetic memory. A pity given its historical and cultural significance, not to mention wide acceptance. But, having lived in Nepal most of my life, my native language of Kusunda has served me quite well enough. Should you have any questions on the intricacies of tsitt-lango, or Blackjack as you call it, and know Kusunda, free free to ask my advice. I’d be more than delighted to respond to your queries in Kusunda.”

I’m sure I’m stealing some Python bit.