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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    And apparently the casino's interpretation. If they interpret things that way don't you think it is so or do you think the casinos just decided not to back people off for counting and just use countermeasures instead.
    Apparently the casino's? Where you getting that from?

    I've heard of games of skill not being legally considered gambling. You can't possibly be arguing that blackjack isn't gambling. So I don't know what you're saying.

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    Box, do you just like to argue?

    Here's the link to the Missouri gaming website.

    From there, follow the links to all the regulations. You can read them all yourself, if you'd prefer.

    http://www.mgc.dps.mo.gov/


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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    Box, do you just like to argue?

    Here's the link to the Missouri gaming website.

    From there, follow the links to all the regulations. You can read them all yourself, if you'd prefer.

    http://www.mgc.dps.mo.gov/

    I read the rules. A Snyder article cites the rule where 'tracking cards is not cheating' as authority for his statement that Missouri can't bar counters. However, after reading it, all I see are a bunch of procedures that are probably implemented 24/7 to prevent pro card counting attacks. While also making sure to prevent legal issues arising out of pit critters picking out random suspicious people, accusing them of cheating, and having security manhandle them.

    Then I went to the Policies section. (3) The holder of a Class A or B license isexpressly prohibited from the following activities: (J)...to permit any typeof conduct on the riverboat which reflectsnegatively on the repute of the state of Missourior acts as a detriment to the gamingindustry;

    Does card counting act to the detriment of the gaming industry? I believe the casinos believe that it does. So this law specifically forbids NOT barring card counters. That's a bit of a strong reading, but I think this reg is more clear than the other one supposedly not allowing casinos to 86 anyone. So I'm still waiting for my explanation. I wouldn't have asked if I could find the answer on my own. If all anyone can come up with is a link to a homepage, then I'm convinced no one knows what they are talking about and it's completely OK for them to ban people.

    I'm not arguing to argue. I wanted to know. But I don't mind arguing, I'm good at it.

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    I believe the foundation for trespass actions is property law. If I own a vacant lot and you come on that property, then I have the right to trespass you. It is not about what actions you did, but your very presence on my property. I am not required to have cause. The casinos maintain this fundamental right with their ownership.

    Being backed off or having other countermeasures applied are a different issue.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    You can be banned in Ohio for counting. Just ask the guy that is now a dealer at one of the Ohio casino's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    Does card counting act to the detriment of the gaming industry?
    Card counting was the biggest boom the gaming industry ever saw. Before that BJ was a fringe game. Now it brings more people into the casino than would ever visit because they see games as being beatable whether they know how to do it or not. This is historic fact that continues to this day and is not subject to debate. Each new moving is followed a revenue boom for the casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    That's a bit of a strong reading, but I think this reg is more clear than the other one supposedly not allowing casinos to 86 anyone.
    They can 86 you for misconduct but not going in and legally playing their game using your mind. That is perfectly reasonable and easy to understand. They are licensed by the state to offer games the state feels are games of skill and can't bar people simply because they play it legally as a game of skill. The countermeasures are 100% effective and there is no need for anything else.

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    Ohio Gamimg Law - Theory and Practice

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    I found it in one second:

    Title 11—DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY Division 45—Missouri Gaming Commission
    Chapter 5—Conduct of Gaming
    11 CSR 45-5.010 Presumption of the Right of Patrons to Participate in Gambling Games
    PURPOSE: This rule establishes the general right of a patron to participate in gambling games unless such patron engages in unlaw- ful or disruptive conduct.
    (1) Unless otherwise authorized by sections 313.800, RSMo et seq., as amended from time-to-time, and 11 CSR 45-1 et seq., as amended from time-to-time (collectively, the “Riverboat Gambling Act and Regulations”), no licensee may deny a patron the right to play a table game that involves playing cards and which is offered to the general public. A patron may be denied such right if the patron engages in unlawful or disruptive conduct. The licensee shall notify a commission agent prior to removing such patron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    https://youtu.be/hnTmBjk-M0c

    A favorite...
    Not only hilarious but it certainly makes me think of BOZ,
    the most argumentative person I have ever seen on-line.

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