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    When they mess with you

    I love a challenge. So when the PB or table Mgr shows up and starts talking to me to try to disturb my count, I see it as an opportunity to dispel any doubt I could be a counter.

    I'll make eye contact with the interlocutor, talk back, turn around to take a mental snapshot of the cards dealt, then turn back quickly and keep on chatting, while keeping on with the mental arithmetic.

    So... I had no issue talking with a veteran PB. Who then proceded to tell me a long nonsensical joke with a totally unfunny punchline. I pretended this was somewhat funny and kept on playing. At that point I was losing. I did come back and made a little bit of money. The experience was actually very entertaining.

    Is this type of technique to mess up with you common? Or is it just because he's a veteran PB who has seen it all? Anyone has a similar story to share?

    And this is where I'd like to thank Norm for CVBJ and the drills companion. I would not be a solid counter without practicing almost daily with these two pieces of software.

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    Yes, this is extremely common. Normal non-crazy PBs will prefer this to summarily backing you off or giving you a half-shoe; it's also an indication they know what you're doing, but don't consider you a threat. Unless you have nowhere else to play or are playing at an extremely low level, you should consider spending a lot less time at this store.

    You seem to be proud of yourself. While it is good to practice socializing and counting at the same time for camo purposes, being entertained by heat and being completely transparent to the floor is -EV. As much as he was trying to mess you up, he was doing you a favor by letting you know you've been detected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DatabaseGuy View Post
    I love a challenge. So when the PB or table Mgr shows up and starts talking to me to try to disturb my count,
    Unless they are busy, some PB's get bored and just want to talk. I have one PB that is a "back to the nature" guy. He can talk for days about his wood burning stove, his garden and how he does things the "Old" way. He's no more trying to disturb my play than the cocktail waitress is. He's just bored and can't stop. I raise bets right under his nose and he pays no attention and hasn't for six months because he's too interested in his current project and what time he's going to get off.
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    Yes I admit pride in mastering a skill, but it's only due to practice and great tools. It's like learning a complex piece of music. No biggie here.

    I don't see any negative EV in talking to the PB if I don't lose the count and pass the test. I used to lose the count easily. Being able to keep on with the act even under stress while not losing the count is important.

    I usually play low and high stakes at this shop. Based on my nickname you can guess this is not how I make my living. This is a hobby and a life hack. Beating the system and getting away with it is probably what motivates us all, at least at first.

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    If it's a DD game and the PB really wants to chat it up, I see it as an opportunity to make friends and demonstrate that I have no interest in what cards are being played. So 'll forget about the count and engage him totally. Just go to min bet and start over on the next shuffle....

    A shoe game is different. The opportunity cost is higher if well into a decent shoe...

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    In none of the cases below are we referring to Pit Bosses.

    If they are Pit Bosses, it is time to "get out of Dodge."

    These suits are just what we refer to as 'Pit Critters"

    They are "floor persons", professionally: "Game Supervisors."

    Frequently they are chatting us up because they are very bored.

    Sometimes they are indeed willfully distracting us to see if we get annoyed.

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    I had a Floor trying to ask about me. I was non engaging. I had been losing. When he asked why I was nonsocial I snapped at him that I had been getting my ass kicked and was losing big time and had been all weekend. He left me alone and I got a big comp when I was done. I guess he got the message that the odds of having a pleasant conversation with me were about 0 unless I started winning. I actually was doing quite well for the weekend but didn't want to chit chat and took advantage of the negative session swing to shut him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    T3 became irritable?
    Don't get me started. It's like living with Jekyll and Hyde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    T3 became irritable? What was that thread about chickens and turkeys flying?
    I was thinking the same thing. I always imagined him really polite at all times, and kind of like this:

    http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/wa...tm/android.htm

    I love it how he said that he "shut him down" when referring to the floor person. I never imagined him even using these words, let alone doing it. Rock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    T3 became irritable?
    I wasn't too happy but I just used the situation to my advantage. I really wasn't upset at all.

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