One of the fears that many new card counters have is that they will eventually get caught everywhere they play or be put into so many databases that they will not be welcome anywhere and no longer be able to count cards.
For someone who travels all over the United States to play full time, is this really a significant risk? Could you really become unwelcome at all the casinos? Has anyone ever heard of someone getting barred so much, they couldn't play anymore?
No. Many newbies are so afraid of getting in trouble they don't play a winning game. When an alert goes out, it's usually temporary, and it's local or state-wide. Unless you're part of an experienced team playing for big money, don't fret.
As a veteran professional player, I urge the reader to thoroughly discount post #2.
Many Pro / high stakes / expert players are universally barred; and quite a few, who
are not going to be subsumed under the rubrics above, are as well.
Furthermore, the absurdly incorrect statement in post #2, that an "alert" is
temporary, is false in virtually 100% of cases; and it is known as being flyer'd.
Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 06-10-2016 at 04:09 PM.
Boz how much experience do you have playing in a real casino? How many hours do you play per week or month, or year? Have you ever stepped in a real casino and played for real money. Do you just do simulations on the computer? It seems to me that you would not have time to play for real money spending so much time answering and helping all the people in this forum. How do you do it?
This is such bullshit and I'm sick of it. When I first got here and that one poster attacked you--I now know what his problem was. The OP says he's a new card counter. Do you really think there's any risk he'll be universally banned across the country as a newbie? Do you really think that once a player is backed off from a casino, the casinos in the area are not temporarily on the lookout for the player, but are ALWAYS and forever on the lookout? Cuz that's what you strongly imply. You constantly give advice that is in all likelihood impractical and inapplicable without qualification and then denounce any other answer as absurd. I know from experience that what you say would have been completely useless and wrong had I asked a similar question years ago. I'll add a little qualification for the OP. If you are a professional and not a newbie (which you aren't), you never learn anything on your own (which makes you not a professional), then it is possible to get banned everywhere eventually, but it's not something you should worry about right now (although Flash disagrees on this point).Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash
EDIT: Why is the OP at risk of being banned across the country as a new counter, but you aren't? It wasn't clear in your post. Was it because you were speaking theoretically and not practically? If so, why is practicality absurd?
Last edited by Boz; 06-10-2016 at 05:13 PM.
There exist famous, high-stakes players from the old days that still play and still make money. When you see an ad for a system that says "I am banned everywhere," you know you have read a scam. I'm not saying it's easy. But, it is possible to play at high-stakes for long periods of time.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
I have to agree with this. If you play unrated or under a variety of pen-names you can get flyered/databased in one part of the country and almost immediately play in another part of the country under a different name with a new look almost immediately. (with apologies to Flash). I know a guy who is probably the most radio-active player in the US right now, who won high five figures straight counting last year, and he plays mostly under his real name and usually gets off several days of play before they realize who he is. Casinos for the most part are reactive, not proactive. They just can't check everyone out and for players who are good at changing their appearance photographs might as well not even exist.
Even Tommy Hyland still has no problem finding a game.
Last edited by bigplayer; 06-10-2016 at 05:08 PM.
Oddly enough I was flat betting $10 for kicks and drinks at a small LV casino where I'd never played before in my entire life and was backed off. When I looked at the shift manager like he was crazy he just shrugged and said "your name popped up on the grid...welcome to play anything else". There is a huge luck element involved in whether you get backed off, especially if you're betting at a level that blends in with the other action in the casino.
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