With flat betting, there's no analysis that can be done. Just gotta play short sessions and be smooth with your backcounting. I got some strategies to fly under the radarOriginally Posted by stopgambling
I've had a handful of backcounters wong in to my shoes in Vegas; from red-chip to black chip. They didn't get in under my radar, and I wasn't looking for counters. Anyone paying attention will suspect you on the first hand you play. Admittedly, avoiding detection and avoiding a backoff aren't always the same thing, so good luck.
What do you mean. They enter all your bets and plays and determine if you have an advantage. If you always bet with an advantage you have to be pretty bad at plays not to have the computer show you have an advantage when you play. I doubt the computer operator would even need the computer to tell him as he entered the cards played in the shoe and when you came and went.
My count stays flat the whole time, so their computer analysis means nothing. Besides, what people dont understand is this, the EITS wont be watching you backcount until the floor lets them know something is up and to monitor this guy. Now bring in the flat betting equation again. If the floor doesnt notice any bet fluctuations, they will think im a loser and not even bother notifying the EITS. Knowing that 95% of floor men and pit personnel are clueless, and thinking you need a spread to win, they wont even look at u twice. Sure they can see you backcounting and jumping in and out but thats why we're playing short sessions. And some of the clueless ones that do realize you're counting and jumping in and out, they still might think you need a sizeable spread to win or at least some type of spread, which of course ill have none. Also there are ways to be swift when backcounting and not standing around so much which i wont go into here. They'll never know what hit them. Add to it being unrated and forget it.
Last edited by LoneWoLF; 05-31-2016 at 08:14 PM.
Yeah, standing behind a table for an hour and then hopping in for $600 and then hopping back out won't raise an eyebrow. It's like you want feedback, but don't want to listen...and it's like you want us to be convinced this is a great idea...but don't want to listen. Yes, it is possible to make a living playing the tables, so I've read. No, it is not as easy as your posts depict it. You are going to backcount. Let's move on.
Wont be standing around "1" table for an hour. I dash and move quite a bit and try to play stores with at least 3 pits open. And no i never said it would be easy, especially with this hit and run strategy. It will definitely take a toll, but Ill be fine. I've played enough blackjack to know this is a grind regardless if you purely backcount or not. But ill be ready for the challenge when i move out there.
Good luck
Last edited by LoneWoLF; 05-31-2016 at 08:32 PM.
Well no i wont be going on same shift, which then means only one pit will likely be open in mornings and possibly afternoon. Ill adjust. 1 hour sessions will cure all. The way i got it set up i got 12 of the best games in Vegas and ill only show my face once a week on that particular shift for each casino for 1 hour. Seems like ill last a while. But lets end it here, rather not keep talking about this.
While I suspect you meant "my bet stays flat", that still doesn't mean that the computer won't indicate that you're betting into an advantage shoe composition.
I know you wanted to end the conversation, but that is the point that I think others were trying to make. Your strategy is fairly easy to identify, and if you deploy at it stakes like you've alluded to up thread, I believe you'll be identified pretty quickly.
In Vegas, if you are willing to employ the cross-shift, cross-casino strategy you described, I think you'll make a good bit more money by playing off the top and only wonging out. It only takes a single instance of someone seeing you (on tape) wong-in twice into two positive counts for the heat-o-meter to go off the charts, because the odds of a ploppy doing that are just really tiny. But tons of short whacks of .25 to 2 shoes, hit-and-run style? Very hard to gather enough statistical confidence to back you off unless they can see you doing it across multiple sessions.
Either way, good luck, and let us know how it goes.
We know this approach -- letting the computer assess player strength when possible -- is used heavily at the swankier, newer joints in town. And it stands to reason that MGM management will not be happy if they can only use their fancy software and surveillance team at the Aria while getting worked over a couple doors down at NYNY, when they know that a five-year-old can click a button and share footage with anyone sitting anywhere on the planet these days.
So, yeah, my theory is that blackjack being played for Real Money by anyone who is not clearly a big ploppy (which is truly the minority of the players, even at Real Money stakes, in my observation) is going to be analyzed ex post facto. Anyone who can still sit down at a table in Vegas, who will play black or higher, and who desires longevity should be devising a strategy that accounts for this, in my opinion.
Not necessarily, I was backed off at SLS without ever betting a chip. Do not forget about "flyers" in Vegas as I contend they remain in use. Also, the common ownership of so many stores makes information sharing that much easier.
LW's back count strategy will bring down the heat soon enough. Not due to flat betting. At the numbers he indicated (2X300), and his desire for longevity, he would better served to hire a spotter to call him in and be very, very careful when doing that!
The Strip has the most well protected games I have played and heat always rises in direct correlation to the size of your bets.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
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