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**shorty 2** · 05-11-2016, 09:23 PM

Once again I'm reading a random post where a supposed professional BJ player has claimed to get great comps after his loosing streak and I am appalled,confused and down right flabbergasted at the notion that it could be a good idea to give your id to the pit boss.
Ive also read that"no matter what" you should never give them your id.
so which is it? I really don't like throwing away all the comps that can be capitalized on but I also don't want them having (my id) when they realize I'm obviously counting since ive been winning over the long run and upping my bet at the end of the shoe...

what do you do?

**shorty 2** · 05-11-2016, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

I get the comps. They aren't going to figure out what I am doing anyway. It is too far outside the box. Besides I have a rule for cover. If it is something no AP would do you should do it if you don't want to look like an AP.

I wish I could be that confident that I wont be figured out.
I figure it like this.
There could easily be a couple guys watching on camera .One guy says to the other ."hey, I'm gonna use the bathroom but while I'm gone why don't you pay attention to the count on table 7 because that guy may be up to something" then when I go ramping up at the end of the shoe theyre like "yup,hes a counter..."
data base,id from photo they took of your id when they created your card...all avalible with the click of a button

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 05-12-2016, 05:01 AM

Depending on precisely where I am playing,
I either play without a card or I play with my
"fictitious" I.D. ~ as I am rather notorious.

**Romes** · 05-12-2016, 07:32 AM

I have places I play no card and places I play with a real card. It really depends on your level of heat at any particular place. The paranoia about getting caught will force you to play without a card, but will ultimately lead you to getting caught because no card will bring more heat on its own at most places. It depends on a lot more than this though... Such as your betting ramp and top bets. If your max bet is $200 then no card could be a viable option. If your max bet is $500, you won't play very long without a card.

**Bigdaddy** · 05-12-2016, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Romes

I have places I play no card and places I play with a real card. It really depends on your level of heat at any particular place. The paranoia about getting caught will force you to play without a card, but will ultimately lead you to getting caught because no card will bring more heat on its own at most places. It depends on a lot more than this though... Such as your betting ramp and top bets. If your max bet is $200 then no card could be a viable option. If your max bet is $500, you won't play very long without a card.

Agree - If you want to play for a decent amount of money for a decent amount of time at a regional store, you must figure out a way to do it rated. That's the only thing that will relax the pit. Other than that, you'd probably have to be fall-down drunk to get them to relax....

**Boz** · 05-12-2016, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

I get the comps. They aren't going to figure out what I am doing anyway. It is too far outside the box. Besides I have a rule for cover. If it is something no AP would do you should do it if you don't want to look like an AP.

LOL, honestly T3. "You should do my secret move, but I'm not going to tell you what it is, ha ha."

**Boz** · 05-12-2016, 08:15 AM

I'm not a huge threat as far as bankroll. It's fair to say that once they figure me out, they may delay action and err on the side of 'enhanced' player since I'm not a regular and don't win everytime. But I play with a card in large networks at most of the decent-sized places. Stingy or not, the comps will add up, and you might get an unexpected awesome comp, or be able to hustle serious comps if their system is flawed and the stars align. If I get burned at one place in the network, I ditch the card. At the small places, don't even bother getting a card. You can if there's a sign-up incentive, but don't play rated, and trash it immediately--unless you camp there every week, then play rated, cuz playing unrated is going to draw heat.

Most money I ever made in one session was from a comp. I wouldn't disbelieve what you read based on a biased assumption.

**Ryemo** · 05-12-2016, 09:20 AM

I think you'll know when it's no longer ideal to play with a card lol. You turn in your card and then immediately get counter-measured or backed off and escorted off the premises. That's when a players card isn't even an option anymore, unless you have a way of getting new player's cards in different names.

**Sweaty** · 05-12-2016, 01:00 PM

I like playing rated to get the comps going. I will be cautious of their tolerance and how much I am in for. I'm sure to leave if I perceive heat. If there is no heat and I have a losing session (sometimes even if I win and I put time in) I will ask for a food comp from a pit/host. Wait a few weeks and watch the mailers roll in. Play rated sessions selectively.

**shorty 2** · 05-13-2016, 06:34 PM

So, after reading all the above replies about using cards and ditching cards after use...
It almost sounds like a bunch of guys who have been in the pits a few times and isn't worried about stores sharing info or being blacklisted.
does that mean you trust that the law actually works. The one about them not storing/sharing...I mean ,what good is ditching a card when you need an ID to get it and it has your picture and ID # for the next time you show up.

**Stealth** · 05-13-2016, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Agree - If you want to play for a decent amount of money for a decent amount of time at a regional store, you must figure out a way to do it rated. That's the only thing that will relax the pit. Other than that, you'd probably have to be fall-down drunk to get them to relax....

Playing rated may slow down the pit calling EITS to evaluate your play but it does not stop it and certainly does not make them relax.

You will only get them to relax if your game/ramp etc is good enough to obscure your advantage and then cumulative win will get you. As soon as chunky green turns to black the attention goes up dramatically.

**Boz** · 05-13-2016, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Stealth

Playing rated may slow down the pit calling EITS to evaluate your play but it does not stop it and certainly does not make them relax.

You will only get them to relax if your game/ramp etc is good enough to obscure your advantage and then cumulative win will get you. As soon as chunky green turns to black the attention goes up dramatically.

Ratholing turns cumulative wins into losses. I think obscuring what you win is better camo than obscuring your statistical advantage. Not winning is the best camo. Once you've ratholed, if you lose your tabled chips, buy back-in to establish you have no chips.

**Villiam** · 05-14-2016, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stealth

Playing rated may slow down the pit calling EITS to evaluate your play but it does not stop it and certainly does not make them relax.

You will only get them to relax if your game/ramp etc is good enough to obscure your advantage and then cumulative win will get you. As soon as chunky green turns to black the attention goes up dramatically.

Hey stealth, how much can one take from a store over the course of a year playing red do you think? I did a little math a found out that if I played my tiny wonging spread a little less than 30 hours a week I could take home $25,000 and those numbers made me nervous regardless of how good my act is...