Hand shuffle vs. Automatic shuffler. New cards vs. Old cards.

[Boz]

It's tantamount to the dealer pushing the magic button to make all the players lose. BJGenius, I hope you don't believe that nonsense.

[BJGenius007]

It's tantamount to the dealer pushing the magic button to make all the players lose. BJGenius, I hope you don't believe that nonsense.

Dealers can't but pit boss can. There is a magic button and it works 90% of the time by clumping the cards.

[AndretheGiant]

Dealers can't but pit boss can. There is a magic button and it works 90% of the time by clumping the cards.

This is absolute nonsense.Some people are the opposite of what their handle implies.For example I'm not really a giant.

[MJGolf]

Dealers can't but pit boss can. There is a magic button and it works 90% of the time by clumping the cards.

If you can actually prove this...........and there is a gaming commission involved..........or the press were to post an article regarding this experience, this casino would GO DOWN IN FLAMES, right? What casino would take the risk of exposing or letting anyone know that they had the ability to actually change the odds of a game through "shuffling" surreptitiously differently AGAINST the players? Do you have actual proof that the ASM has that ability? From manufacturer's site or some other manual?

[mofungoo]

Conspiracy theories are not facts. Facts are that ASMs randomize the cards better than hand shuffling. Bad for STers, good for the casino and for counters.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Hand-shuffling wastes a great deal of time.
Time at the table = money in my pocket.
Most casinos that do hand-shuffling use
bizarrely complex shuffles that waste a
lot of time and foil shuffle -tracking and
Ace Location / Steering.

I prefer Automatic Shuffling Machines.

[Villiam]

If the case is that ASMs randomize better I don't necessary think this is always good for counters. The idea of running bad comes into play more. I have seen shoe after show run positive counts at hand shuffled tables often but not as much on ASM tables. The reason I'm asking is I play a hand shuffled game often that often runs good (for those who know how to take advantage) but sometimes just changing the cards kills the positive fluctuations and counts. I think it could be an interesting topic to explore (sheesh, I think my games are really juicy and interesting but what do I know) since I am not skilled in shuffle tracking (yet) to look at EV differences from these normally voodoo ideas. I hope ya'll don't scream "He's a WITCH!!!" and burn my IP. Keep this crazy talk going and be nice. :|

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Selective Memory" boosted with assorted biases enters the thread.

[Stealth]

Clumping the shoe. There was an incident that makes me a believer. Once there were a few AP at the table, so pit boss came to change setting of ASM then ASM generated some impossible shoes in a roll. Every shoe has the following patterns: 20 consecutive small cards without a face card (mostly 2, 3, 4, with rarely 5 and without any 6). Then 10, 6, 10, 6, 10, 6, 10, 6, 10, 6, etc. Then more than 12 eight's in 15 consecutive cards. Then another good mixture of fives and faces only. Then clumps of nines. Then repeat all the patterns again.

If you can provide proof of such manipulation occurring then we need to be partners and call Nersesian, or some other lawyers in that jurisdiction. In fact , it is worth returning to the scene of the crime and collecting detailed information on the machine, the pit personnel, etc. We are going to need evidence. Likely we can subpoena the machine manufacturers and the pit personnel to build a case. Maybe we should just call the manufacturer and ask if that is even available with their product. So, it is your opinion that the manufacturers of these machines built a product that would intentionally commit a felony? And that the casinos use them at their whim to screw the public, especially card counters?

If you have positive answers to this then PM me! This will be the ultimate AP play!

WE ARE GOING TO BE RICH!!!!!!!!

[Boz]

Dealers can't but pit boss can. There is a magic button and it works 90% of the time by clumping the cards.

OMG.. You have to change your name from BJGenius to TypicalPloppy. If I had a nickel for everytime I was distracted by a maniac arguing with a pit over how the only reason they lost was the implementation of some secret cheat code...

[Three]

Most casinos that do hand-shuffling use
bizarrely complex shuffles that waste a
lot of time and foil shuffle -tracking and
Ace Location / Steering.

What did you think of the ridiculously simple shuffle at the casino you recently visited?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Tthree,

I have played in five states in recent weeks, so I do not know which store you are referring to.

This weeks adventure ~ my winnings were appreciable. They used a reasonable shuffle procedure,

BUT some dealers took too many skinny "picks" and none employed "stripping." Most dealers were fast.

Undealt slugs were divided into 4 standard mini-slugs and "plugged" normally.

[Three]

Yes this weeks adventure. I was amazed they used no stripping. I think it was single pass shuffle as well, at least with some dealers. The casino obviously makes a ton of money by short shuffle procedures. They also save all that money from not renting ASM's. No wonder they are one of the biggest earners at shoe games. Many of the dealers were quite fast and not to chatty. I think they grade dealers on their rounds per hour including shuffling. I did well the last time I was there.