Just a quick query. When do you leave from a session? Is it after you've won or lost $X? After you've shown your max bet, and if so, how many times after you've shown it do you leave? Do you consider drive time, say you drove 3 hours and showed your max within 10 minutes of getting there?
Obviously if you're tired or upset you leave. But assuming you're neither of these, when is it just time to go?
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You have done a pretty good job of summing up most of the relevant quitting factors. Here is one you did not mention :
When other players sit down. I hate having a companion at the table. They make stupid, dangerous comments that might alert someone to my play. They slow the game down. They whine and are very hostile towards you "ploppy terrorism" Norm called it once. It's not really a good idea to insta quit when they join your table and go to a new table to play heads up either. This is too obvious and got me backed off once. You want your comings and goings to seem natural. It helps if you are also a poker player, you can bob from casino to poker and poker to casino and it all looks very natural but beneath the surface you are always watching and calculating.
All of the above one might say. If you've won too much, or you have shown aOriginally Posted by RCJH
big spread you leave. Just because you drove long distance to get there you
leave after a few minutes if need be. Just like if you have driven far and the
table conditions are poor, you just leave !
Excluding Nevada, I drive long distances because casinos are sparse where I play. I don't leave. I play til banned. These casinos aren't used to seeing card counters, so you can get away with it longer than in LV. Plus, if your EV is less than the cost of gas, then either don't leave or don't go. But once you've pissed off a few casinos, they talk, and you become known, and your bans are much quicker. But I'd advise if your outside of Nevada, New Jersey, Detroit, Chicago, or another dense casino area, play til banned.
In a medium-sized casino, I had counter-measures taken against me. I simply switched pits. There were no counter-measures in the other pit. That process worked for a few months, until finally the hammer came down. It mostly depends on how much of a threat you are and whether they like or hate you. Are you a red-chipper in a decent-sized casino? I'd chance sticking around. Are you a green chipper in a hole-in-the wall? I'd leave immediately, assuming I drove there, but I wouldn't have wasted my time or gas.
Last edited by Boz; 05-06-2016 at 03:13 AM.
This seems a little incongruous or a mite foolhardy. Why would you chance "just switching pits" if measures taken against you on one? Do you not think that floorperson would not notice your move to the next pit? In a medium size house? I could see this in a large place, where there are great distances between pits...........but you are still keeping yourself at risk are you not?
And the advice to "play til banned" at areas which are NOT casino dense seems opposite of what experience tells IF you want to continue playing. Here we don't have a casino "dense" area. I don't want to be banned from any of them if I want to continue playing. So being a little circumspect in action seems to serve a better purpose.
I'm not questioning your knowledge of the game so much as asking clarification because it seems to be "counter-intuitive" at first blush.
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
Everything you said is relevant, but here's the kicker... It's situational. If you've got a lot of games near you then I'd leave after a big spread is shown (or at least leave that table). I'd also leave before shift change so that I could come back after shift change and play (during shift change the current PB gives the new PB the breakdown and you don't want to be mentioned in that).
If you DON'T have a few options and you're a part time player, then I'd play a bit longer sessions, moving tables after showing a big spread, or eating some EV to come off the top with a bigger bet. I hope you see though that it depends on how often you play (pro vs recreational), what options are available near you (many stores, few stores, tolerant stores, sweaty stores, etc). All of your local factors will basically tell you how you should play, given what you can get away with...
T3 is on the road the last several days. He does not like to post from the hinterlands.
That advice about "never leaving a positive deck" is not so much wrong as it is moot.
That is because you may have a slightly positive T.C. and have little or no advantage.
You guys are probably "meaning" the same thing. And I have used that rule to advantage past couple years. Because a question arises quite a bit as to when you actually leave a table. It's a good rule for table departure.............maybe eke out a little more positive EV?
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
Never leaving at an advantage is EV worth less than a dollar an hour? Really? Without mathematical examination it "seems" to be better than that in my personal experience.
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
its all about time and money for me....if i am way on the right side...say expected ev is $100/hr and i win, say, $500 in 15 mins i am out the door...sure the longer inplay the more i will win..theoretically...i prefer to take the $ and go....dont partuarly like casino environment, the smoke ,and especially watching plops continue to lose and get welcomed back with open arms, while those bastards tell me i am not welcome....small wins equal large wins and I'd rather be fishing...hahaha
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