card counting coaching

[Meistro123]

now, now let's not turn this discussion political please

[MJGolf]

now, now let's not turn this discussion political please

Not political..........environmental. And it takes an earthquake to wake up Bodarc from his naps...........

[Sharky]

Romes, I reread your post (#14) and you do not mention the OPs qualifications or credentials…just that everything can be found and LEARNED “out there”…I stand by my post 110%...and Norm is certainly not endorsing me or my ‘style’, rather he is just is pointing out is that some folks are ‘book smart’, others do better being taught personally….capiche?

Et tu, Moses? Seriously???....I read your post multiple times and cannot understand your message for the life of me

• If it’s that college dropouts can be more wealthy than doctors and lawyers…good for you…fyi, the wealthiest cat in the WORLD didn’t finish college, either
• If it’s that you paid cash for a country club estate when interest rates have been at 3.5% for decades…perhaps you overslept the econ101 class on opportunity cost
• If it’s that learning tools, such as Cvdata and casino Verte are ‘all you need to know if you have it “in” you’, to learn counting….that’s just absurd…to think for one second that someone one with 35+ years of actual casino experience cannot mentor, or add value to an apprentice is extremely shortsighted
• Btw, while I appreciate your kind words regarding my NFL p-o-t-w, it is NOT a “sound investment” by any means…it’s gambling…2 outcomes, win, or lose…regardless of my proven success, it is VERY high risk…bonds and treasury notes are sound investments
• Call it snarky all you like, I just happen to call a spade a spade

Please don’t take it personally….I really LOVE all you guys and wish you all the very best!

GOOD LUCK!

Sharky

[shorty 2]

Flash is fast that's why I like him

[shorty 2]

300 hands / 1 hour = 300 hands / 60 minutes = 5 hands per minute = 1 hand every 12 seconds (as Flash indicated)

...Math isn't your strong suit, eh?

you've got to watch out for old Flash ,fast like an ally cat

[Three]

All card counters make errors even the great ZenMaster Flash. Errors in deck estimation for example are inevitable since no one can look at a discard tray and say 'hmmm yes 109 cards have been dealt it is TC 2.68'.

You need to estimate decks as accurately as your sim does. If you estimate more accurately you won't increase your results. You will be putting situations in different bins than the simulator did so you will be making betting mistakes or at least your ramp will no longer be optimal.

Game speed is extremely important, so important it almost dwarfs all the other factors. The more rounds you get in per hour the more money you make.

I bet I have the most complicated counting system of anyone on the sight and I can keep up with the fastest dealers I face with no hesitation on betting and playing decisions. You can't do any better than that even if you can count faster.

I probably make more errors in the simple count than when I employed a far more complex count.

I am in the same boat. My mind wanders to other things in my busy life and I lose count when I try a simple approach. For someone that has side counted aces in some form or another for over 30 years it is just a boring way to play and my results reflect the focus associated with the lack of interest in what is going on.

Anyway Meistro clinging to and promoting what we all know to be fallacies doesn't speak well of his expertise in counting. It shows he knows how to do what anyone can learn online or from a book and his results show he doesn't do it well.

[Three]

How about with a dealer who can collect the 7 boxes of cards on the table in half a second?

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I am not saying, count 300 hands in that way.
Just tried to say, there is a dealer, experienced, fast hands, and like to show off.

The dealer can only deal as fast as the players play or he can without making a misdeal. The first time he skips a decision or makes a misdeal the game stops until the Floor comes over and spends a couple minutes explaining the option and getting poppies to calm down and play resumes with all players getting an option.

Certainly unusual these days. But, when it happens, it's wonderful. Heads-up with an experienced dealer, you get into a rhythm. And counting is actually easier in same manners.

Yes, counting is always easier with the fastest dealers.

[Three]

When I look at my hand say 6,7,2 , I did not hace to add them up, I looked at the three cards as one picture, then I could tell if I should hit or stay...like a instant reaction.

This is how I always do it. I see a series of numbers that are multiples of the decks remaining and don't need to add the Rc's to know their total and see were the total fit in the series of numbers and know what that multiple of the deck estimation is with doing math and that is the TC. For playing decisions I multiply the index by decks remaining and compare to the RC. It is not math as I can see all the multiples to begin with. It is just knowing which multiple it is. Most of the time the comparison isn't even necessary because you already know what the decision is. If it is so close that you are at a cusp deck estimation that would swing the decision just use basic strategy. There isn't much EV gained or lost, maybe pennies, making the decision wrong so don't waste the time.

[Bodarc]

People that use simple counts tend to be lazy

T, I'm glad you think Al Francesco is lazy. In an interview he said if he had it to do over, he'd use hi low. He didn't because the software etc wasn't avaialable then.

[peterlee]

The dealer can only deal as fast as the players play ...

Also the player can only play as fast as the dealer deal.
Not only a fast dealer and a fast player are the factors, also the rules including table max, and other factors.
That is why a 300rph does not happen all the time. In my case, only once per ten years.

[Three]

T, I'm glad you think Al Francesco is lazy.

I love how people take quotes out of context. You might have wanted to include the next sentence.

Of course generalizations always fail to be absolute but this does show a trend.

I guess reading comprehension is something you lack.

[peterlee]

Originally Posted by peterlee How about with a dealer who can collect the 7 boxes of cards on the table in half a second?

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I am not saying, count 300 hands in that way.
Just tried to say, there is a dealer, experienced, fast hands, and like to show off.

The dealer can only deal as fast as the players play or he can without making a misdeal. The first time he skips a decision or makes a misdeal the game stops until the Floor comes over and spends a couple minutes explaining the option and getting poppies to calm down and play resumes with all players getting an option.

[How about with a dealer who can collect the 7 boxes of cards on the table in half a second?].....
Maybe I did not use the right words.
What I meant is...when the round ended, there are two or more cards on each of the seven boxes, totally 17 cards, the dealer pick up his dealer's cards, like "The wipers on the bus go swish.." , once, collect all the 17 cards into his hand within a second.
This is not a so super-high-skill, any dealer can do that by a little self training at home. But how often we can see it in a real casino of a real game?

[Norm]

People that use simple counts tend to be lazy and want to do minimum effort to get what they want.

What's wrong with that?