Backoff poll

[Sweaty]

Sorry if I caused confusion - I meant to say cashing out chips from OTHER casinos has become more difficult.

[BJGenius007]

I handled it a little differently.

A swift walk out the doors jamming 30-some black chips in my pockets.

After winning 2k in one "shoe" on a 2d game I figured I'd blow my gambler cover (if I had any) if I were to return to a min bet to start the next "shoe."

No doubt in my mind they would have stopped me at the cage if I had gone.

According to a couple of downtown casinos in Vegas the next day they had a "hold" on their black chips. Not sure if that was my doing.

Another note, even in the last 2 months cashing out chips at downtown casinos has become increasingly difficult. Most places refusing. Some going as far as using a magnifying glass for inspection. And the D/Golden Gate will just exchange them for their chips. "But you have to play them" Funny how I always break even those "sessions" LOL

Most casino chips now have build-in RFID "chips". You have to cash them in the same day. That is how casinos track who are winning and how much.

[Sweaty]

Most casino chips now have build-in RFID "chips". You have to cash them in the same day. That is how casinos track who are winning and how much.

I'm aware some chips have RFID but I do not know why that would mean I have to cash them same day. Care to elaborate?

In my experience the majority of the tracking is done by the floors and also the cage if you're cashing out a large amount(varies by place) or $500+ chips.

[BJGenius007]

I'm aware some chips have RFID but I do not know why that would mean I have to cash them same day. Care to elaborate?

In my experience the majority of the tracking is done by the floors and also the cage if you're cashing out a large amount(varies by place) or $500+ chips.

There is no "why". Casinos just want to make AP's life miserable. By the way, you can still stack black chips. Only purple chips need to be redeemed immediately. When I got purple chips, the pit boos always told me I have to go to cage immediately or at least on the same day.

[Sweaty]

There is no "why". Casinos just want to make AP's life miserable. By the way, you can still stack black chips. Only purple chips need to be redeemed immediately. When I got purple chips, the pit boos always told me I have to go to cage immediately or at least on the same day.

Or else? Is your experience is limited to one place?

Not trying to be argumentative but I have never had a problem cashing them out days later and have done it multiple times. Even with 1000's. Multiple places in Vegas.

If nothing else, go check it down on a bac table or some other game and take black to the cage.

[Ryemo]

Sorry if I caused confusion - I meant to say cashing out chips from OTHER casinos has become more difficult.

Or else? Is your experience is limited to one place?

Not trying to be argumentative but I have never had a problem cashing them out days later and have done it multiple times. Even with 1000's. Multiple places in Vegas.

If nothing else, go check it down on a bac table or some other game and take black to the cage.

Agree. On my last trip to Vegas, I waited 3 or 4 days to cash out a yellow chip ($1,000 chip for those who don't know) and I had no problems. I cashed one out at the cage and broke another one down at the Craps table on the same night I received them. I had another store pay me one yellow and I waited till the following morning to cash it. I was never asked for ID in either situation.

[AndretheGiant]

There is no "why". Casinos just want to make AP's life miserable. By the way, you can still stack black chips. Only purple chips need to be redeemed immediately. When I got purple chips, the pit boos always told me I have to go to cage immediately or at least on the same day.

Your mistake was in believing the pitboss.

[Norm]

That was from Nersesian!

Short answer is that trespass laws are based on property ownership laws and have nothing to do with corporate structure.

However, it does not mean that they couldn't mark your players account (if they are sure they have the correct person) and then trespass you when you arrive. It means they can not have you arrested for violation of the trespass in another state.

If you are in an Indian property then you are legally trespassed by the tribal owners not the operator (Harrahs).

I called Nersesian and he verifies what you say. Still makes me nervous though. You might be right but face a legal battle.

[Stealth]

I called Nersesian and he verifies what you say. Still makes me nervous though. You might be right but face a legal battle.

Your being nervous is not going to stop my actions that I believe, and confirmed, to be correct.

As an extended thought, there is nothing to say that we can not get arrested for cheating when we are only counting cards, not going to stop me playing.

[RS]

I think it might be beneficial to include a warning, when it comes to iffy legal stuff. Sure, you might legally be able to go to a CET property in another state, but that doesn't mean if they catch you they'll necessarily be nice to you and simply ask you to leave. Many APs don't want to face the legal issues that may come about from "pushing the limits".

It would be like saying "It's perfectly 100% legal to walk down the street with a shotgun. You don't legally have to answer any questions or show ID to police if they ask you questions & blah blah blah.. Etc etc..." Without including a warning, "but if you do that, there's a good chance you'll end up arrested and in jail, especially if you don't answer questions or show ID to police."

[Norm]

One should always be wary of legal advice on the I'Net. Just saw a pile of total nonsense re copyright posted on another forum.

[Ryemo]

So I've got an interesting one to add...

I had a shift manager attempt to back me off and ban me from a casino in a jurisdiction that CANNOT back off or bar card counters!

This all went down AFTER I lost about 5K in one shoe. Got up and started to play in a different pit. After the phone calls started coming and based on the pit's mannerisms, I knew the jig was up, so I exited on a negative count mid-shoe. As I'm leaving, the PC addresses me by name and tells me to leave and don't return. I laughed and told this person that they can't do that. I told the PC that we're in MO and it's written into the gaming commission's laws. I offered to call gaming if they like and we could verify. They had no response to my rebuttal...

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"I laughed and told this person that they can't do that."

Not quite correct. They cannot bar you for counting cards;
but casinos "can" invent excuses, like drunkeness, profanity,
disorderly conduct, etc.