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  • None of the below

    35 13.78%
  • Limited spread

    87 34.25%
  • Reduced penetration

    96 37.80%
  • Preferential shuffle

    63 24.80%
  • No more specific game

    137 53.94%
  • No more any game

    63 24.80%
  • Trespass

    56 22.05%
  • Request to backroom

    28 11.02%
  • Backroom/detention

    19 7.48%
  • Escort off property

    60 23.62%
  • Chips confiscated

    8 3.15%
  • Hotel eviction

    10 3.94%
  • Physical assault

    9 3.54%
  • Arrest

    7 2.76%
  • Cancellation of comps

    54 21.26%
  • Thrown in the tiger cage

    10 3.94%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Added. If anyone that has already voted wants to add that to their vote, I can add it.
    You can add me for that. I've had comps canceled and/or reduced to lowest tier offers.

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    Come to think of it, I think only one of my BO's the guy told me specifically "no more blackjack here"....whereas I think the other few BO's (3 or 4 others), have gone something like "I see what you're doing here, your game is too good for us" or "You've been hacked off from X & Y properties....do I need to say anything more?" But I don't remember them saying "you can't play here // no more // etc." Although I might be mistaken....but I think I'd have remembered if they said no more BJ or no more anything or leave the property.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    I think I'd love to see everybody's experience regarding counter measures in general between reduction in penetration, the man with a suit analyzing your game, the ridiculously fast dealer (hey, I'll take a challenge any day, miss), the dude showing up from behind the woodwork and giving a mean look...

    These days I'm hiding in the poker room.

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    Who answered yes to thrown in with the tigers? and how did you make it out alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACFERRET View Post
    Who answered yes to thrown in with the tigers? and how did you make it out alive?
    Montecore liked to have his belly tickled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACFERRET View Post
    Who answered yes to thrown in with the tigers? and how did you make it out alive?
    it was Roy....


    backoffs are always two suits tapping me and asking to speak with me b4 my next hand...."we evaluated your play, and you are too good...we are not taking your action here anymore"...plenty of times I had PCs rifle through the discard tray DURING play....hahaha.....had them also try to whisper to the deal about cutting deeper....and one time at a relatively newly opened joint the dealer blurted out, "you want me to cut more off?!?"....too funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    ...plenty of times I had PCs rifle through the discard tray DURING play....
    In my experience they usually go through the deck faster than a practiced counter would be able to, too.

    I don't look at them or acknowledge what is going on when this happens.

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    For me the detention/physical assault/arrest was all one backoff.
    If the tiger cage=jail put a tally on there for me.

    They asked me to go to the back first but I did not select "request to backroom" because I made it back there eventually.

    A couple of interesting notes on my backoffs:

    Twice a shift manager has politely tried to pull me away from the table to talk to me - so I basically ran out the doors on them. One was a guy I used to work with he was yelling "I'm not going to chase you!"
    -thanks buddy cuz I'm not stoppin'!

    I mark whether the backoff was "friendly" or not.
    I have 6 yes. 1 eh. 1 no.

    Something I noticed when countermeasures are put in place in MO:
    They slowly reduced the pen on me to about 1 out of 2 decks until I got up from the table (usually to call and get a new ramp from a partner) and when I returned I would only get two hands or so.

    E: jail/arrest was obviously not a direct result of counting, but, in my opinion, a trumped - up charge, that stemmed from counting.
    Last edited by Sweaty; 04-26-2016 at 07:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweaty View Post
    For me the detention/physical assault/arrest was all one backoff.
    If the tiger cage=jail put a tally on there for me.

    They asked me to go to the back first but I did not select "request to backroom" because I made it back there eventually.

    A couple of interesting notes on my backoffs:

    Twice a shift manager has politely tried to pull me away from the table to talk to me - so I basically ran out the doors on them. One was a guy I used to work with he was yelling "I'm not going to chase you!"
    -thanks buddy cuz I'm not stoppin'!

    I mark whether the backoff was "friendly" or not.
    I have 6 yes. 1 eh. 1 no.

    Something I noticed when countermeasures are put in place in MO:
    They slowly reduced the pen on me to about 1 out of 2 decks until I got up from the table (usually to call and get a new ramp from a partner) and when I returned I would only get two hands or so.

    E: jail/arrest was obviously not a direct result of counting, but, in my opinion, a trumped - up charge, that stemmed from counting.
    What were the allegations used to justify detention and arrest. Did u instigate anything to provoke the physical assault - and what was the extent if that assault. Any legal action pending with regards to the issue.

    Only what you're comfortable in disclosing. Interesting shit.

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    I'm not sure what I should or shouldn't say in public as I have not found a lawyer.

    I will send you a PM with some details as you are a respected member of the community. If I don't send it to you soon you'll have it by tomorrow.
    Last edited by Sweaty; 04-26-2016 at 07:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweaty View Post
    I'm not sure what I should or shouldn't say in public as I have not found a lawyer.

    I will send you a PM with some details as you are a respected member of the community. If I don't send it to you soon you'll have it by tomorrow.
    Look forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Look forward to it.
    Just sent - not sure if the site is still being slow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweaty View Post
    Just sent - not sure if the site is still being slow
    Thanks for the email. Definitely get legal advice before commenting further. Interesting.

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