Which Counting System do you use?

[DatabaseGuy]

I use my own custom count system.

I do what the hot Chinese girl tells me to do.

[Sharky]

no halves???....same indices as hilo

[All Clear]

Halves for me as well. Surprised that wasn't included in the poll- likely would have been in second or third place.

Silver Fox is an option? Lol. I need to look into that one....

[Gramazeka]

I used Hi Lo (ST), or EBJ 2 for simple count.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Hi-Opt II with Side-Counted Aces (and sevens in 'pitch games')

[DatabaseGuy]

I am still using HO2, officially.

Officially, because I am reading Blackbelt 3rd Ed. And one thing leads to another...

Side counting aces, I do, it's the extra math which I am wondering if, as an amateur, I really need. Adapting from HO2 to Zen in CVBJ game and drills was surprisingly easy. Indices are different but I'm looking warning them just as easily.

[DatabaseGuy]

By the way anybody using Dravot's Color of BJ flavor of KO successfully?

[GVinIL]

By the way anybody using Dravot's Color of BJ flavor of KO successfully?

Daniel Dravot’s system is called TKO for True-Counted Knock Out.


I don't know how you define "successfully" but….


I'm new to AP (just started this calendar year) and play low-stakes ($15 minimum). I rarely bet >$100. I keep track of my play on an Excel spreadsheet and since I've started tracking (which covers 8 sessions) I'm up $525.


My first three sessions were:-$200; -$350 and -$300 the next three sessions were: $200; $700 and $220 the next session: -$20 and the last was $275.


I'm still learning AP in general and I'm probably 99% accurate on my basic strategy chart (which incorporates the Holy Rollers strategy).


I'm not going 100% as advised on the spreading of bets as it makes me nervous so I don't really ramp up the way the system speaks; I will, but that will take time to get to and I'm in no hurry.


So, to answer your question, "yes" I'm using TKO and I "think" it's successful.

I hope that answers your question.

[Bigdaddy]

Daniel Dravot’s system is called TKO for Technical Knock Out.


I don't know how you define "successfully" but….


I'm new to AP (just started this calendar year) and play low-stakes ($15 minimum). I rarely bet >$100. I keep track of my play on an Excel spreadsheet and since I've started tracking (which covers 8 sessions) I'm up $525.


My first three sessions were:-$200; -$350 and -$300 the next three sessions were: $200; $700 and $220 the next session: -$20 and the last was $275.


I'm still learning AP in general and I'm probably 99% accurate on my basic strategy chart (which incorporates the Holy Rollers strategy).


I'm not going 100% as advised on the spreading of bets as it makes me nervous so I don't really ramp up the way the system speaks; I will, but that will take time to get to and I'm in no hurry.


So, to answer your question, "yes" I'm using TKO and I "think" it's successful.

I hope that answers your question.

As for the acronym "TKO", I take that to mean true-counted KO. Dravot's system incorporates some true-counting to KO to eliminate the biggest weaknesses of the system (i.e., under-betting early in the shoe and over-betting late in the shoe), but it does not go all the way to true-counting in all situations.

I use a full, true-counted KO method and the top 50 or so indexes (you can generate these in CVData). I've found it to be quite effective in both shoe games and DD games. In terms of SCORE, it slightly outperforms Hi-Lo (presumably due the the inclusion of 7s as +1).

[GVinIL]

As for the acronym "TKO", I take that to mean true-counted KO.

Edited accordingly. My bad.

[DatabaseGuy]

I don't think Dravot and TKO are the same. He uses a 0 IRC and promotes guesstimating the heat based on deck estimation.

I won't criticize it, just wondering if anyone used his system to their advantage.

[marriedputter]

I use Hi-Opt II with a side count of aces on 2D and Zen on 6D. I didn't know which way to vote. Since I play more 2D than 6D, I voted Hi-Opt II.

[Jabberwocky]

I use ubv in pitch. ZenII for shoes and a specialized count for Spanish21.