With the new poker online sites just getting established in Jersey and Vegas, this might change things a bit don't you think?
http://www.oklahoman.com/iowa-tribe-...rticle/5492858
With the new poker online sites just getting established in Jersey and Vegas, this might change things a bit don't you think?
http://www.oklahoman.com/iowa-tribe-...rticle/5492858
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
Well, given there would be a physical location in the US to go complain, I've got to think it might be the SMALLEST step up ever from 3rd world country providers?
Sure, they're sovereign immunity means they can probably still steal your money just as easily if they wanted, but at least now they're not blanketed with being half way around the world?
You provided a link to a site where I have to subscribe to access.....???? Is this an advantage play because you are working for the newspaper?? LOLOriginally Posted by MJGolf
This is like watching the evening news and getting all the teasers to keep you engaged.......................
What was the story?
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
No, it won't change much of anything by itself. States have to agree to it. If they don't agree, and the Natives go ahead with it anyway, you'll end up with the state raiding the reservations. Indian reservations are not sovereign nations. The United States is a sovereign nation. Reservations have more independence than a major locality, but less than a state. "Mini-sovereign". State sovereignty is constitutional, and Native American "sovereignty" comes from statute, is dependent on state compacts, and is more prone to abrogation. Although reservations do have some power to fight a state, they have zero power to fight the feds.
Last edited by Boz; 04-23-2016 at 02:42 AM.
Without meaning to demean you to any degree, it is difficult for me to stand by idly when misinformation is promulgated.
I am an iconoclast at heart. You are at least partially mistaken here. In all fairness, Indian tribes, wanting state cooperation,
agree to "compacts"; wherein they surrender parts of their sovereignty, especially the power to ignore torts in State Courts.
No offense taken. I welcome a discussion on the matter. My interpretation might not be flawless, and oversimplified, sure. But in my experience, blackjack players, AP and ploppy alike, assign a lot more power to Indians than they actually have. The flavor of power APs like to assign is that Indian casinos are more like casinos in third-world countries than state-casinos; play at your own peril. They can cheat, because no one regulates them. If you win, they can take all your money. Although you might not take nearly such an extreme viewpoint as espoused, that is the 'flavor'--however weak--of your view towards Indian casinos, correct? If not, you'd be the first AP I've heard from on the other side.
States agree to compacts, because the Feds require them to negotiate with Indians. Indians HAVE to take the compact because their only alternative is to sue the state for bad faith negotiations and lose. There is no casino without the compact; at least not a casino open to non-Natives. I think you're making a distinction without a difference. Their sovereignty is abrogated. Sure they may agree, because of a lack of bargaining power. If it was up to the Indians, they'd rule the world, just like anyone.
They can regulate themselves internally and pretty much completely, without interacting with the outside world. And I think this is why people get the idea they are as sovereign as any country or state. But what good is it to be isolated like that? Would that really be that much different than being Amish? Sovereign means supreme, and it relates to power. Clearly, they have less power than a state; reservations are tiny little islands surrounded by vast amounts of the state on all four sides. Is the U.S. more sovereign than Botswana? Well, since they would probably be even less developed without the humanitarian aid they depend on--and probably do whatever the U.S. wants to get said aid (and could be wiped out with a push of a button)--you certainly could argue that it is.
As an amusing aside, I once heard a ploppy talking to a dealer at an Indian casino. Q: "Do you know who is the only agency who can regulate Indians?" Reply: {Uninterested} The Bureau of Indian Affairs? A: "The DNR." This answer seemed unintentionally racist to me, since they mainly conserve wildlife.
Last edited by Boz; 04-24-2016 at 07:17 PM.
I used to play at a Native American casino called Akwesasne Mohawk Casino in Northernmost N.Y. State
Back in 1985 the Governor, then Nelson Rockefeller, ordered the State Police to go onto the reservation,
the sprawling St. Regis, and shut down the Bingo Parlor, The Poker Room, and the CASINO.
They were met with considerable gunfire, burning tire blockades, etc. IF memory serves
2 or 3 State Police were wounded in the melee. The Attorney General advised the Governor that
he had no power to declare war on a "sovereign" people, and they were exempt from all State Law.
To this day, if driving there, upon entering from the West, you will see a billboard warning that the
F.B.I., I.R.S., are forbidden entry.
They signed State Compacts because the States held the Aces, controlling the infrastructure
that bring the ploppies to their tables and machines.
I have played in Indian Casinos from Washington Sttae to Florida.
Most, but not all, offer fair games, etc. That is analogous to the vast
majority of Muslims being law-abiding citizens.
Stealth:
Check your email............LOL I guess because I'm a subscriber, I don't think about those things but I thought you got so many few articles free.............
Last edited by MJGolf; 04-26-2016 at 02:06 PM.
"Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein
The Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma will move ahead with its plans to launch an international gambling website after a federal judge this week signed off on a decision that the gaming venture is legal.
The Iowa Tribe plans next month to launch its website, pokertribe.com, allowing players from other countries to play real-time casino games with real money.
The venture is backed by Fred Khalilian, who describes himself as an international business and marketing consultant.
Khalilian and his company, Universal Entertainment Group, have an exclusive license to operate the website, Khalilian said. Khalilian acts as a consultant on the venture, he said. The servers for the gambling website will be maintained at the Iowa Tribe's headquarters in Perkins, he said.
"The Iowa Tribe is launching the first government-launched poker site ever and that's a big deal," Khalilian said.
Khalilian said Universal is working with in-flight wireless Internet service providers to launch the website on commercial airline fights.
He estimates the venture could generate as much as $1 billion a year in new tax revenue for the state.
"It's never been done before and we think the credibility of the tribe and the partnership with the tribe will give the players a lot of security," he said.
The Iowa Tribe did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.
In a statement issued in January, Iowa Tribe Chairman Bobby Walkup said he believes the new venture will create a lucrative revenue stream for the tribe, and perhaps other tribes.
"Finally, once our tribe had an opportunity to review all the facts, we were able to see this as positive opportunity for our tribe, including present and future generations of tribal members," Walkup said in the statement. "We also saw a possible new online marketing concept that would generate fresh revenue for our tribe and potentially for the other federally recognized tribes in the state and possibly across the nation."
Khalilian has operated a number of colorful business ventures over the years. He once ran a now-closed nightclub called Club Paris in Orlando, Fla., that promised to include regular appearances by hotel heiress Paris Hilton.
In 2010, the Federal Trade Commission shut down another company operated by Khalilian, The Dolce Group Worldwide, for alleged unfair and deceptive business practices. The company ran a robocalling operation that peddled extended car warranties. Khalilian settled the civil suit with the Federal Trade Commission and has set up a website www.fredkhalilian.com to defend his reputation.
"In a civil court battle you have to evaluate your options and see what's best for you, your time and finances," he said in a statement on the website. "Just because you settle in a civil case doesn't mean you admit to any wrongdoing."
The Iowa Tribe went to court in January to seek certification that it could legally operate the pokertribe.com website.
An arbitrator ruled in November that the venture is not a violation of federal or state law and falls under the Oklahoma Tribal-State Gaming Compact.
The ruling could also allow other Oklahoma tribes to launch similar websites.
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