So you've created a lot of heat for a small amount of EV in a 1 casino town? And for the record, after this happens once, the dealer will never again act on the signals of the back bettor.
Koz, your comment about comped drinks reminds me of a similar story which was told to me about the same casino. Apparently a few years ago, someone playing blackjack there asked to see the first burn card from every shoe he played, as the rules allow. As soon as the card was pulled from the shoe, the dealer would flip it over, revealing it, then flip it again and put it into the discard rack. This happened a few times, until the first card was revealed to be an ace. The player then piped up and said "I want that card". Quoting the official rules, he explained that since the card had been placed face-up on the table without first going to the discard rack, it was officially a tabled card, and ought to become the first card of the first hand. The supervisors checked the rules, and sure enough, they were obligated to deal out the hand with the ace going to the player. The moral of the story, according to the dealer who told it to me, is that the player, who had been a respected regular, found comped drinks a lot scarcer from that point on. Additionally, the rules were changed, and so was the procedure for burning the first card (nowadays at this store, it goes all the way to the discard rack, face down, and then after that it can be revealed and re-discarded).
I Think that this play while being a "Cheap shot" you have to take money from the casino where you can…Especially in the particular store with limited shoe games which are all packed 8 decks and have an approx house edge of .75% Even though this is strategy of baiting a dealer error is one that can only be used once or twice before getting burnt if you were to travel with a large amount of capital to a casino which also shares this rule it could be worth it ….Does anyone else know of any other ways to bait dealer error with a high success rate???
You can scout for dealers that make errors. Its easier than trying to bait a dealer into one.
In Vegas, the least experianced dealers can generally be found on the graveyard shift, midweek. Get them more than halfway thru their shift and they will be more mistake prone than your generic dealer. Same goes for the pit and the EITS. The converse of that is the pit is likely to be less crowded so it is a tradeoff.
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Originally Posted by Blackjackzcx
Once you locate the less experienced dealers (see Shadroch post), It is pretty easy to confuse them and encourage payout mistakes by employing rainbow wagering. (an odd amount wager using different color and denomination chips). Although fairly successful, this does have a couple draw backs. It may also catch the attention of the pit, who may start double checking payout and secondly, it can slow the game down dramatically and if you were playing a decent game to begin with, that will cost you money.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with employing this type of plan, as it is the casinos obligation to train their employees and protect their games, but again, personally, I have set a little higher standard for myself and don't feel that comfortable trying to trick my way to extra earning.
Contrary to the sewage propagandized by those apparently "in the know", most things in life are easily defined as BLACK or WHITE...there are VERY FEW shades of GRAY. Although legitimately GRAY area discussions contain the most attractive content they amount to an infinitesimal percentage of real world situations.
The scenario described by the OP is CLEARLY cheating and should be illegal....it is a pure angle shoot. An overt act covered with deceit. It is way across the line and no rational explanation could be put forward justifying such action.
This is not using what is offered, like HCing, or steering upon seeing a card during the cut, or counting played cards. This is an intentionally deceptive act ripe with dishonesty.
Lowrider, the grey area lies in the fact that there are rules present which mean that such a scenario could be pulled off without apparent ramification. I have trawled through the relevant legislative provision overseeing this particular casino and have found nothing which indicates it is illegal per se. While I do agree it is very dishonest and probably should be illegal, I think until any reform is made to rectify the rules, no one doing so would be breaking the law. That is unless s82 of the Crimes Act could apply, which states 'A person who by any deception dishonestly obtains for himself or another any financial advantage is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to level 5 imprisonment'. One could argue this case both ways, but like I said beforehand, I would feel uncomfortable doing it for obvious reasons.
I still think this is a genius idea and who ever came up with it should be commended….
Also thanks Kewljason and Shadroch for the tips!
The idea that the OP had could be adapted to a Three player operation….with two main components..A Big player and the ‘Dispute players’ The BP is betting 1k hands on 1st base and refuses to bust while the dispute is happening on 3rd or 4th base……In my opinion this strategy would be better in an extremely low count as the more cards that are pulled before busting will give us more chance of obtaining a combination of cards that will be beneficial…
Also even though the aim is to achieve financial gain the team still has to play with the cards they are dealt for example if base 3 (the base with the dispute) has a 20 and the BP on First base has a 16 and the dealer has an ace…then no matter where the hand signal comes from it is going to be hard to change the outcome of the came as hitting a 20 or splitting 10s is going to draw attention….Which would make it more beneficial for the BP to sit on a base after the base with the dispute as, if the next card to be drawn on a 16 (Base 3) was a 6 in the replay the card could be steered to the BP who might be sitting on a 14 or a 15 even if the dealers card is 2-6….Sorry for the incoherence
Last edited by Blackjackzcx; 01-20-2012 at 04:59 AM.
Actually, another story of exploitable regulations comes to mind. The very same casino has another rule, apparently also stipulated in the law, whereby a bet above the table maximum, even if not noticed until the hand completes, must be treated as a bet at the table maximum (not unlike "money plays" and similar rules in the US). I once saw a player betting over the maximum, and about to be paid in full (incorrectly), until a pit boss rushed over and reminded the dealer to check the size of the bet. The player complained, saying "if I had lost you wouldn't have given me a refund, so you have to pay me the whole amount as well", to which the pit boss replied "you know perfectly well we would have to give you a refund". Apparently the player was a known scoundrel. After he had left, the pit boss gave the dealer a talking-to, and warned him to watch out for that particular player, and to be mindful of the table maxima, because of the possibility of attracting some sort of fine (for the casino or for the dealer, I'm not sure which).
EDIT: It comes to mind that as far as morality is concerned, this one is perhaps a bit worse than the OP, because of the possibility of getting the dealer in some sort of (legal?) trouble. I guess the dealer could get in trouble in both cases, but this one sounded more serious, at least in this particular casino.
Last edited by lurppis; 01-20-2012 at 05:10 AM.
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