Question about enforcement of a trespass

[blackjackomaha]

Can anyone confirm this??? This seems like treading on dangerous slops if you use an alias to play under? Anyone like to comment?

Confirmed at some of the places I frequent .... if the payout is above 300:1, taxes are withheld.

[moo321]

For the W2G it's a 300 to 1 payout and $600 once you subtract the initial wager.

$1200 on a machine or bingo
$1500 from bingo
$5000 from a poker tournament

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2g.pdf

[moo321]

As far the enforceability of a trespass goes, there is some case law indicating that they have to tell you to leave again before they arrest you. But don't be a dumbass: getting arrested is -EV, even if you're released. And you certainly don't want to go through a criminal trial, even if you're right.

So, don't be blatant, don't go back the next day after a trespassing, etc.

[Goatlife]

so say you hit the royal in mississippi ( i know viturally impossible). The payout is 500 to 1 but most casinos have a table aggrevative payout of 50,000 so lets say you bet 50 on the ante and 50 on 3rd,4th,5th street for a totaly wagger of 200. You hit the royal and get 50,000 the total true odds are 250 to 1 even though the pay schedule says 500 to 1 because of the cap payout limited by the casino. I know they have some bonuses like this in UTH as well. What do you think would happen? Can you fight the w2-g in this case?

[RWM]

You can try but usually arguing about this stuff is fruitless. They really don't know the rules and will make you do it to cover their own ass.

[zengrifter]

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[zengrifter]

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[blackjackomaha]

If a player were to receive a notice of certified mail from an establishment they played rated at, what then? This player does not know 100% what was sent, but assumptions can be made. If said player never signs for delivery and never receives the intended letter, but has reason to believe the letter was a barring from the establishment, what actions could the establishment take against the player if they were to return and get caught?

[moo321]

so say you hit the royal in mississippi ( i know viturally impossible). The payout is 500 to 1 but most casinos have a table aggrevative payout of 50,000 so lets say you bet 50 on the ante and 50 on 3rd,4th,5th street for a totaly wagger of 200. You hit the royal and get 50,000 the total true odds are 250 to 1 even though the pay schedule says 500 to 1 because of the cap payout limited by the casino. I know they have some bonuses like this in UTH as well. What do you think would happen? Can you fight the w2-g in this case?

I have no idea. If they gave you a W2G you could probably appeal to the IRS or go to tax court or something, but those would all be moot points: you still owe taxes on gambling wins. Also, you'd get a CTR on the $10,000+ win, so it would get reported either way.

[Nyne]

You wouldn't get a CTR unless you cashed in the chips immediately. The point of not wanting a W2G is to avoid giving up your identity, so fighting it after the fact is moot.

[moo321]

You wouldn't get a CTR unless you cashed in the chips immediately. The point of not wanting a W2G is to avoid giving up your identity, so fighting it after the fact is moot.

1. That's true, but cashing out $5000 at a time could be considered "structuring" if you did it to avoid paying taxes.
2. You're exactly right, once you give up your identity, you give up your identity.

[zengrifter]

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[moo321]

Also, this trespass business applies to regular casinos. Who knows what could happen with an Indian casino? I certainly wouldn't mess with it.