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    6 & 8 shoe best system

    Hey guys, new to forum but not new to counting. I haven't done much research since I decided to graduate from hi lo to Uston ss a few years back. I am having much success and not really looking to change to a new system just wanted to get your feedback on what you feel the best system is strictly for 6 and 8 shoe games. Are any of you using the Uston ss and recommend that? Or is there another system that you think can crush the ss(although I would be skeptical). Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchia32 View Post
    Hey guys, new to forum but not new to counting. I haven't done much research since I decided to graduate from hi lo to Uston ss a few years back. I am having much success and not really looking to change to a new system just wanted to get your feedback on what you feel the best system is strictly for 6 and 8 shoe games. Are any of you using the Uston ss and recommend that? Or is there another system that you think can crush the ss(although I would be skeptical). Thanks guys
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    I'm not sure I understand what you mean?

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    Hi-Opt II

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    Hi-Opt II
    Hey zen thanks for the feedback. Could you give me a little more info on why you prefer hi opt ll over ss for 6-8 shoes? The bc is .99 on ss and .91 on hi opt ll. I've found the lower bc systems have been less successful for me on larger shoes. Just want to hear your reasoning. Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
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    Should work now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchia32 View Post
    ".99 on ss and .91 on hi opt ll."
    Hi-Opt II MUST be used with an Ace Side Count and that makes the B.C. .98

    while the P.E. will be about .70, and the Insurance Correlation is near perfect.

    Uston SS is simply NOT a good count.

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    Hi-Opt II
    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Hi-Opt II MUST be used with an Ace Side Count and that makes the B.C. .98

    while the P.E. will be about .70, and the Insurance Correlation is near perfect.

    Uston SS is simply NOT a good count.
    Thanks for that great insight. Which side count brings it to .98?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchia32 View Post
    "Which side count brings it to .98?"
    READ what I just posted. I said ACE Side Count.



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    Hi-Opt II


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    READ what I just posted. I said ACE Side Count.


    Yes I did read that. I was asking which side count as in which ace side count? I didn't know there was only 1 way to do it as I have never tried using a side count for aces. Is there a link that shows how the ace side count works with the hi opt ll?

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    Just add +2 to the rc for each surplus ace in the remaining cards. Then do the reverse for every deficit ace.
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    Just add +2 to the rc for each surplus ace in the remaining cards. Then do the reverse for every deficit ace.
    Thanks just doing that little trick changes bc from .91 to .98?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchia32 View Post
    Thanks just doing that little trick changes bc from .91 to .98?
    From what I understand, you use the count with the aces for betting and the use your count w/o aces for playing and insurance.

    Pretty much all the important stuff is covered in Norm's free e-book Modern Blackjack

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