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  1. 01-27-2016, 03:34 PM #1
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    Using someone else's player's card

    Some casinos have identified me as an AP and marked my players card so that I can't use it at the blackjack tables anymore. My brother looks very similar to me and offered to let me use his ID to get a new player's card and play with it instead.

    Is it legal to play with his card?
    Would it be legal if I redeemed comps with his card and ID?
    Could I get into a lot of trouble with the casino or the law for doing this?
    Do they keep the photo from your ID on record? (Does it matter whether my brother looks like me?)
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  2. 01-27-2016, 03:38 PM #2
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    As far as I know it's just a casino rule. But I could be wrong.
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  3. 01-27-2016, 03:42 PM #3
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    Well, if the casino is not insane, it's a contract. That's quite a bit more than a 'rule'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Well, if the casino is not insane, it's a contract. That's quite a bit more than a 'rule'.
    I shall defer to you oh great one.
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    IANAL. But, I do what I can to avoid them. (Apologies to our barrister friends.)
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    I can't speak for all casinos but I was surprised to find out a casino chain I have played for decades had no photo on file for me. They had asked for ID every time I checked in, for some of my larger chip exchanges at the cage and at the table for I don't know how many thousands of times I have played matchplays at table games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Well, if the casino is not insane, it's a contract. That's quite a bit more than a 'rule'.
    I'm not a lawyer Norm but when you hand them your identification and they make a card for you, you sign nothing and agree to nothing. I don't see how this could be a contract.
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  8. 01-28-2016, 11:33 AM #8
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    A contract can be "implied"

    A contract can be "verbal"

    based on a "handshake"

    We speak of "social contracts."

    We have a contract that the casinos will
    provide honest games with specified rules
    and pay us when we win.

    Contractually - we will not cheat or steal.

    Our resident attorney (a fine BJ player)

    needs to check in and opine ad lib.
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  9. 01-28-2016, 12:30 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    We have a contract that the casinos will
    provide honest games with specified rules
    and pay us when we win.

    Contractually - we will not cheat or steal...
    Actually the casino has a real contract with the Gaming Control Board that states they will provide fair games. The cheating/stealing part of our contract is between Gaming and the Law respectively =P
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  10. 01-28-2016, 12:36 PM #10
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    A players' card, it's use, etc. IS a contract. Value/consideration is given both ways. However civil "liability" and criminal liability are two different things. If all the penalty is happens to be burning his brother's membership or his in the players' club, not much is really lost. Losing their "rewards". If you are NOT misrepresenting yourself to legal authorities, you dont have much to be concerned with using another's card.

    I think the OP's REAL concerns need to be detailed a bit further. Has he been trespassed or just backed off from blackjack? Is he just trying to create the opportunity to play? Or does he have other concerns? They might be able to prevent him from playing blackjack but doesn't sound like he has criminal issues yet. I don't think there is enough information to truly answer his question.
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    The casinos can make whatever rules they want (within legal reason), but that does not make their rules "the law". Laws are the law. They can kick me out for breaking a rule, but, I cannot be (should not be*) arrested for breaking a rule which does not break a law.

    There is no contract between the casino and their patrons. I (as a patron) have never signed a contract with a casino (excluding credit/front-money accounts).

    If I'm not mistaken, a contract cannot (rightfully) be signed or agreed to if either party is drunk or inebriated. Seems odd, ya know, since many gamblers are drinking!
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    ^^^ I have woken up the next day with strange new players cards in my wallet. "Contract" averted! =P
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    Are wedding vows considered contracts?
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