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[Romes]

The correlation between bets and plays is 100% for an ace reckoned count. For an ace neutral count there is much less correlation and with all the indices with side count adjustments you are making index plays they just can't understand. Even in DD 50% pen the TC bounces around pretty fast. They are standing there watching using Hilo to catch you. Hilo misses lots of good betting opportunities and bets up when advantage isn't there quite often. The playing decisions are poor especially in negative counts. It doesn't take long for playing and betting correctly with an advanced approach to make you look like an idiot to someone using Hilo. I think the catchers that I have had only know the I18/fab4 for Hilo.

I would presume if one didn't know an advanced count it would cost a little EV, but you could just buy your freedom? When you get the observer just bet bigger in a couple negative counts and make a couple close but incorrect plays? Then they should leave you alone all the same?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"That doesn't sound realistic you maybe need to up that number to 1-4, 1-5? I've gone 1-4 there and they didn't bat an eyelash over it."

Note: My statement was in reference to their DD game with RSA(3)

I was stating the minimum spread needed; not optimal,

and nothing at all to do with their high level of heat.

I usually bet 3-1 there and had never lost; (15 sessions)

when the (nasty) Shift Manager [days] gave me the tap.

[ACFERRET]

There are only 2 DD games open on the main floor and a few more in the HL area, They watch them pretty hard, and call you in when youts are signifigant.

I see some merit to the advanced count argument buying you some time, though I think they will still give you the boot fairly quickly.

[Sandybestdog]

I've been to Sands a couple of times in the last month. The double deck games are off in their own little section. I kind of get the feeling they're almost daring people to play them just so they can catch you. It's $50 minimum so it's out of my range anyways. I don't believe there is another double deck game on the entire east coast. Horseshoe Baltimore had one awhile ago but they got rid of it after about 2 weeks.

[seriousplayer]

The Sands has a great DD game. S17 DAS LS 50% pen'

Adding RSA would drop the House Edge to about 0.1%

Using a strong count, a 2-1 spread will beat that handily.

You left out the penetration. Some casinos want to play with you and offer good game rules but bad penetrations in Pennsylvania. As I learn in Blackbelt of Blackjack when I first started playing Blackjack penetration is very important. Not even a strong count can beat a game with bad penetration.

You can use the Wongin and wongout approach it might not be worthwhile sometimes.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

The Sands DD game has a precise 50% penetration.

This game I plundered for a while. Advanced Counts

with High P.E. simply crush this game, IF heads-up

You can expect to be dealt 5 hands. If you play 2 hands

throughout you can expect only 3 rounds for 6 hands.

However, the "Cut Card Effect" comes into play a bit more

with 2 spots. It also wakes up surveillance. Play one hand.

[seriousplayer]

The Sands DD game has a precise 50% penetration.

This game I plundered for a while. Advanced Counts

with High P.E. simply crush this game, IF heads-up

You can expect to be dealt 5 hands. If you play 2 hands

throughout you can expect only 3 rounds for 6 hands.

However, the "Cut Card Effect" comes into play a bit more

with 2 spots. It also wakes up surveillance. Play one hand.

Lets make a peer review on this. In the SAND Casino the DD is count in half. However, I seem them burn a card off the top before the cards are dealt out. That affects penetration in a Double Deck game. In that case I don't the penetration is 50% at every shuffle. Maybe sometimes at 49% counting the burn card.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

All dealers of DD games everywhere burn the first card.

If you want to argue 49% against 50%, I'll not banter.

It is well beyond irrelevant.

[seriousplayer]

All dealers of DD games everywhere burn the first card.

If you want to argue 49% against 50%, I'll not banter.

It is well beyond irrelevant.

Ok, so a Double Deck Blackjack with 49% penetration is a worthwhile and beatable game? Alright let me do some sims in CVDATA to find out with the condition you mention. What if someone follow your advise and later found out the game is not worthwhile?

[Midwest Player]

Even using a "weak count" such as hi/low could beat that game with a 1-2 spread...

How sweaty is that DD game though?

I hope KJ doesn't see this calling hi/low a weak count.

[Tarzan]

Ok, so a Double Deck Blackjack with 49% penetration is a worthwhile and beatable game? Alright let me do some sims in CVDATA to find out with the condition you mention. What if someone follow your advise and later found out the game is not worthwhile?

Yes it is, primarily due to the rules (S17, DAS, LS). Not as worthwhile and beatable as wonging into 4.5/6 or 5/6 with those same rules is all, as an example. Understanding this relationship between pen, number of decks, rules and counting method is as easy as looking at some of DonS.'s charts for about 3.7 minutes without having to do any sims. The specific game in question? The 49%, 50% (51/104, 52/104) is not all that relevant or worth attempting to factor in with the pen going roughly from 48/104 to 56/104 at dealer's discretion, meaning that one burn card is not much of an issue.

[Frank Galvin]

There are only 2 DD games open on the main floor and a few more in the HL area, They watch them pretty hard, and call you in when youts are signifigant.

I see some merit to the advanced count argument buying you some time, though I think they will still give you the boot fairly quickly.

Did you say, "youts"? What's a yout?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K6qGwmXZtsE

[Dog Hand]

The Sands DD game has a precise 50% penetration.

This game I plundered for a while. Advanced Counts

with High P.E. simply crush this game, IF heads-up

You can expect to be dealt 5 hands. If you play 2 hands

throughout you can expect only 3 rounds for 6 hands.

However, the "Cut Card Effect" comes into play a bit more

with 2 spots. It also wakes up surveillance. Play one hand.

If I play one spot heads-up and get only 5 rounds per shoe, then on average the dealer and I have used a total of 5x2x2.7 = 27 cards... if that's true, then the double-deck pen is about 25%, not 50%.

Were you perhaps thinking of a SD game?

Dog Hand