edge sorting in bj double deck
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Edge sorting on a pitch game can be tricky.
Cards pitched to players hands will all have random turns introduced.
The Deckmate doesn't introduce a turn (as far as I know), but most slugging procedures do.
The dealer can randomly introduce a turn on a per hand basis, depending on how they flip the tucked cards.
In order to benefit from a sort, you need to be able to read the cards. The only chance I see for that is possibly on the hole card, but most dealing procedures have that tucked very quickly.
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You are still pretending that you'll be allowed to spin the cards.
I hope that the country that you are considering will not jail you.
I am very curious though as to what country you are considering;
not the casino.
As far as I am concerned, this is certainly unethical, if not criminal.
Classic M.I.T. Style Team Play with spotters and Guerrilla Big Players is cheating.
Hole-Carding is not.
When you play blackjack you enter a "social contract" wherein you will invest money
and the casino will provide you with an honest game with set rules and betting limits.
NO casino will permit one to play with shared information or computer assistance.
The game(s) are to be played by individuals only. That is as clear as can be.
"Edge-sorting" is taking advantage of a flaw in their surveillance IF they let
you spin your cards. Ordinarily, as with hole-carding, taking advantage of dealer
sloppiness, I judge to be acceptable as "borderline ethical", but, IN EFFECT, you
are "marking" the cards in order to gain an advantage. That is cheating as far
as I can see. Try asking the Pit Boss if you can spin the cards.
If you use the "Robin Hood" rationalization of your actions,
(based on YOUR perception of the casinos as evil entities, thus,
in YOUR mind, undeserving of protections afforded by societal ethics);
then you can steal a Ferrari if the keys are left in the ignition, and I
can burglarize your home if I can gain entry while you are away
cheating at blackjack. AFTER ALL, to you the Ferrari owner may be
an evil capitalist pig, andI may view you as a low-life "moral-bankrupt."
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I still wish to know what country you are referring to, as I am sure that
hardly a casino in the USA that would let you get away with what you
are proposing, and being arrested, in some venues, is a distinct possibility.
Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 07-13-2015 at 10:13 AM.
What?Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash
Definitely not, you are in no way altering the cards.
I would assume you also believe shuffle tracking is illegal? Since you are IN EFFECT taking the randomness out of the game.
If you've ever knowingly received a miss pay you may as well turn yourself in to the nearest police station for larceny.
Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.
He clearly explains his rational in the following sentences.
That's missing the point. You may not be adding paint to the cards but what's the morally relevant difference between changing the orientation of the card and adding a minor crimp only you can see?
Don't get me wrong, I disagree with some ZenMaster_Flash's positions, but if we're going to talk ethics we might as well go beyond knee-jerk reactions.
I think information sharing in general is nuanced and different situations fall on different sides of the line.
I would argue that the BPs approach, guerilla or not, is clearly on the right side of the line since the information (seen cards) is readily available to all players. Perhaps you might think it goes a step too far not having your BP have the counting skills himself, but I don't see how it's relevant who compiles and digests the information. Anything that's derived from that initial information that every dick, john and harry at the table see, in my opinion, is fair game. I have a hard time seeing how it would be consistent to be ok w/ counting, offering BS playing advice but not the spotter-BP approach. How could ploppies giving BS advice to another ploppy on whether the latter should double their 10 (increasing expectation that ploppy would have otherwise deviated from BS) different than a spotter giving a BP a signal? The only reason I could think of is that the BP wasn't at the table, and would not have been in a position to gather the information that he is acting on. I don't really have a reply to this point, so I'll leave it at that. I'm more concerned about having all the points heard than having others take my position as well.
Going on to other things, sharing information about your hand when it is explicitly disallowed might be a gray or even outright no-go area in one's opinion. I can understand that.
Admittedly, I'd am probably prone to provide rationalizations for plays I would like to do or already do, but I think that goes for most APs out there. It's not like each one of us spends hours contemplating the ethics of our work. It's easier to just put any reservations on the back burner.
Yes, you enter into a social contract where they will take all of your Social Security money if you are 80 and feeble and they'll fill you full of liquor and let you keep betting. They'll pat you on the back and give you the big sell, that is until you run out of money. I really feel sorry for them.
I am not a lawyer but I think both sides have to agree to a contract. I agree to take everything I can take from them in any way possible that isn't against the law.
Last edited by Bodarc; 07-13-2015 at 03:01 PM.
Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson
The notion of a social contract is not a legal concept, it is a ethical/political concept. The term, rather than the idea itself, as far as I know, originated from Rousseau.
Anyways, as to gambling, I would think it does act as a contract. 'Being taken advantaged of' isn't really something that shows up. There is an offer (here's a game), an acceptance (you place your bet) and consideration given (you have a chance to win money).
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