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    Caculating EV for Back Counting with CVCX

    I ran some some sims, using CVCX, to help me determine an optimal bet spread for a back-counting scenario. My hourly EV is in this case is $109.92/hr, assuming 100 hands per hour. With that said, is this EV amount what I can expect ONLY when I'm actually playing and laying down the bets? Or does it consider the amount of time I spend actually standing behind the table, waiting for the shoe to get rich?

    One of my goals this year is to more accurately determine my EV per session and per game. Up until now, here are the things that I have been logging into an excel sheet every time I play:

    Date, Day, Shift, Casino, Win/Loss Amt, Hours played, and Notes.

    I would like to add to my spread sheet; Projected EV, Tokes, and Buy In Amt.

    Not all Blackjack games are created equal, as you know. Some games I play have an EV of $75/hr. And other games might have an EV of $250/hr. I would like to accurately project the gained EV of each individual game , but I'm not 100% sure how to do this in a back counting situation. I would like to compare my actual results anually or quarterly with the projected EV I gained. Any help or advice would be appreciated!

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    If you're back-counting, the e.v. should reflect 100 hands seen per hour, not played.

    Don

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    Perfect. That's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks Don!

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    Simming wongong is always problematic as you need to figure in the amount of time finding a new table. I've changed CVCX a couple times using user suggestions. But, I think it's still confusing. Any suggestions on how to make this more clear are welcome.
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    IMHO, you should simply use hands by hour realy played, not seen.
    I see no difference for me between counting without playing and be away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    IMHO, you should simply use hands by hour realy played, not seen.
    I see no difference for me between counting without playing and be away.
    Calculating the EV that way seems difficult. I plan on estimating my EV however Norm's software intends it to be calculated. My only confusion was whether or not that EV reflected actual play or cards seen, which Don cleared up. No sense in making things harder than they need to be.

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    I said "for me"
    First time I have sim wonging I found %W/L more that whitout wonging. Good.
    But Win/hour and SCORE less.
    Perturbing.
    Since I understood why. So it doesn't matter for me.
    But I think of new user.
    Last edited by Phoebe; 01-06-2016 at 10:04 AM. Reason: my english is poor: "of" instead of "to"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    IMHO, you should simply use hands by hour realy played, not seen.
    I see no difference for me between counting without playing and be away.
    You are essentially playing with a bet of $0. You aren't out fishing or skiing. You are engaged in counting in the casino. That is why you count hands seen.

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    I agree. But it's a choice. Norm could have do an other choice. That's to say, not playing is as being away.
    It doesn't matter. The main point is that I understand how to use CVCX.
    And, of course, you (all readers) too.

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    Last edited by Phoebe; 01-06-2016 at 12:50 PM. Reason: poor english again: could, not should

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    I see no difference for me between counting without playing and be away.
    When you are away, you are not betting the good hands. You do when you are back counting.
    Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    When you are away, you are not betting the good hands. You do when you are back counting.
    I give up.

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