Backoffs with max bet below $50

[FalseCount]

I visited both Laughlin and Tunica. Unfortunately my trip took me through Tunica only briefly and on a Saturday night. Tables everywhere were crowded. Laughlin conditions are far from great. Doubling is restricted, no DAS on double deck games. Mid shoe entry was permitted and $5 minimums could be found, but with these unfortunate betting restrictions I won't be rushing back.
From my very limited stops and scouting I say Tunica>Laughlin for the low stakes player. Based on what other posters have said re heat in Laughlin at green levels, I'm not sure of any player who would prefer it to Tunica. I understand from conversations with dealers in BOTH locales that rules have been deteriorating over the last couple of years, but I suppose we shouldn't expect much more

[MJGolf]

I visited both Laughlin and Tunica.

FalseCount:

I had noticed a marked drop in playing conditions AFTER Harrah's closed in Tunica. Competition DOES make a difference. Pure economics theory about supply and demand.

If you can, would you please state which casinos you visited and what you observed in more detail? I'm heading back there (Tunica) within a month for sure........and Laughlin, we get those heavily discounted flight/stay offers but not sure they are worth it.....

[RS]

How much are the playing conditions deteriorating due to less competition compared to what the overall market is doing?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

The deterioration of playing conditions continues apace for TWO reasons.

Specific to Las Vegas: L.V. has succeeded in re-inventing itself as a resort

destination. MOST of the profits earned by strip casinos is from non-gambling

revenue, with nightclubs leading the way.

But ... the primary reason for the transmogrification of blackjack is that the

casinos have opened their eyes to the indisputable fact that their hold % and

their net gaming revenue have been largely unaffected by the BJ games being

progressively worsened.

I hate to have to say it, but exploitable BJ games will be unavailable for the next

generation who will order "bottle service" at $500 and lose $100 at roulette.

[MJGolf]

You may be off hand commenting or criticizing the generation behind us. Interesting that they don't seem to want to gamble as much as ours did or does. BUT in some respects I think that is due to the economic constraints they are undergoing. They have never had quite as good a work situation as we did. Many live in two family households or as roommates........or still with parents........some by choice. Some by desire. BUT they are the "gaming" generation..........they have grown UP with games. I just don't know if those relate to gambling and statistics, but if you had a multiplayer Call of Duty game (that allowed points or dollars to be won based upon kill factor), I bet you would see their interest increase. They also have the Khardashian effect going on...........the desire to be famous or known or seen WITHOUT any merit or reason that is credit worthy. Therefore the club scene is a big deal to them. Perhaps like Disco days were to another generation.

In my opinion if casinos were smarter and REALLY wanted to draw in that crowd for gaming dollars, they would proceed more quickly with the skill based games development. But then, maybe they are doing it the right way. If that generation will spend $500 on the bottle club/service at a club to dance and party............and spend a little on roulette or slots, that's what they will do. Vegas still makes the money or profit. Just seems to me that the morphing of casinos from the gambling mentality (and mob or old school administration) to the ivy league accountant suits and corporations is almost complete.

Table games are going to possibly become passe. I just had a closing with the head of casino marketing for a big casino in our state. She said that revenue from slots was 90% v 10% for the table games. Though she said the revenue was still sizeable, where do you THINK their marketing efforts or concerns are going to go? Probably IF more people played tables and demanded better rules, we might be able to change this "tide". But doubtful.

[metronome]

Bodarc, how well do the 6:5 players take the statement they are being cheated? In my neck of the woods I could tell 'em with the devoutness of the Pope and most wouldn't be able to process the information. It's like most single deck (and some DD) players believe ?they are expert at BJ.

[DD11]

Bodarc, how well do the 6:5 players take the statement they are being cheated? In my neck of the woods I could tell 'em with the devoutness of the Pope and most wouldn't be able to process the information. It's like most single deck (and some DD) players believe ?they are expert at BJ.

Lol yea one thing I learned at the casinos is you can't tell people anything! Even with facts. People lose their minds at tunica when I hit my 12v2. Nobody believes that BS say to hit it even when I tell them to look it up (they never do). Last Friday at the shoe I was playing with a guy that doubled a HARD 6 vs 4. He also doubled his 9s vs any dealer card. It disnt bother me I knew he wouldn't last long and he didn't.

[Bodarc]

Bodarc, how well do the 6:5 players take the statement they are being cheated?

Well I did it about 3 times then gave up. They just look at you and say nothing. The fun part was watching the steam coming out of the pit's ears. Security would come quickly if you didn't leave right after.