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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamMoney View Post
    Not sure what you mean. I won about 20 trrips consecutively at this store. Doesnt mean I won every shoe I played, what I mean is after the usually 5 or 6 hours that I stay there counting(probably staying too long but i dont care as there is no heat) I come out ahead. If it wasnt for this particular store that I said is cheating, my last 35 trips to casinos, ive won around 33 of the 35
    the time at wash session has to be consistent before you can say you won 33 of 35. I won $500 in one hour in the morning, was down in my next session after one hour, still down after the 2nd and third, won the last hour, played for 4 hours and left up $$100. That does not mean I won twice in a row, it means I won the first session of 1 hour, lost the second, 3rd and 4 th session, won the 5th one. In effect, I was up at the end but I won 2 sessions and lost 3.

    how you define a session is critical. You cannot say you won in 20 straight trips if some trips were 2 hours and some 6 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    You cannot say you won in 20 straight trips if some trips were 2 hours and some 6 hours.
    Why not?
    Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    how you define a session is critical. You cannot say you won in 20 straight trips if some trips were 2 hours and some 6 hours.

    In my earlier post, a session is defined as anytime you sit at a table and then leave that table. You may have played 20 rounds or 300 rounds. You may have all played several shoes, or been called in at TC@ and only played 20 rounds, or you may have been flat betting as a spotter for two hours. Apple, oranges, pineapples, peaches, etc.

    With that being said, it is not a meaningful statistic. What if all the winning session are $1 and all the losers are $100?

    It is not the "session" win/loss that is meaningful, it is the actual results compared to expectation. Metrics such as Z-Score and cumulative Z-Score are much more meaningful in determining how much variance you are experiencing.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    I call a session my results in a casino after I walk out the door or for a day's results. A session may involve breaks or table hopping. I don't track results per table. That would be just too much work. If it were easier to keep track of individual table results I would call my sessions the same way Stealth does.

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    I learned from Stealth to not rely on my memory, so the minute I leave a table I head to the bathroom and write down all the pertinent information on an index card. Once you get into the habit, it is no trouble keeping up with your play.
    Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    In my earlier post, a session is defined as anytime you sit at a table and then leave that table. You may have played 20 rounds or 300 rounds. You may have all played several shoes, or been called in at TC@ and only played 20 rounds, or you may have been flat betting as a spotter for two hours. Apple, oranges, pineapples, peaches, etc.

    With that being said, it is not a meaningful statistic. What if all the winning session are $1 and all the losers are $100?

    It is not the "session" win/loss that is meaningful, it is the actual results compared to expectation. Metrics such as Z-Score and cumulative Z-Score are much more meaningful in determining how much variance you are experiencing.
    Yea I was defining my sessions to be whether I was + or - by the END of my trip, NOT whether or not I won or lost a particular shoe that I jumped into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamMoney View Post
    Yea I was defining my sessions to be whether I was + or - by the END of my trip, NOT whether or not I won or lost a particular shoe that I jumped into.
    I continue to be amazed at intelligent people who strive to three decimals to understand the games they are going to play and then give up on the most critical of information (Feedback) on how their actual play compared to their plan. And then they wonder ....what happened?

    Keeping score with money is not keeping score.

    If you are a pilot and are flying from NY to LA, you measure your results by seeing if you got to LA! Not if you got to Dallas! You must compare results to plan , if you intend to improve. How else do you know if you did it right.

    Too many excuses for not doing the detail work of tracking specific results due to the "difficulty" and obfuscating it with the allusiveness of the "long term", bull shit, when accumulated and analyzed, short term results are painting a picture you should heed. Progression of play and analysis WILL IMPROVE YOUR GAME!
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    There is an excellent "Lone Wolf Blackjack Tracking and Analysis System" that tracks your actual results and gives you a lot of statistical information about your game at this location.

    http://blackjackscience.com/products.php

    There is also a lot of free information and interesting interviews etc.

    While you are at it, be sure to read the post by one of my favorite posters on here, Gramazeka. It is entitled "My Idiosyncratic Approach to Advantage Play".
    Last edited by Bodarc; 12-22-2015 at 02:16 AM.
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