Simulation data: single deck or help.

**Bodarc** · 11-30-2015, 05:14 PM

If you have a single deck game that deals down to 13 cards and will let you spread to 3 or 4 heads up, you are in bj heaven.

**seriousplayer** · 11-30-2015, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bodarc

If you have a single deck game that deals down to 13 cards and will let you spread to 3 or 4 heads up, you are in bj heaven.

The simulation in Blackjack Attack 3rd Edition p176 is for 39/52 cut off which is dealt down to 13 cards.

**seriousplayer** · 11-30-2015, 05:29 PM

So are my simulations I've done all wrong?

**LVBear584** · 11-30-2015, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

RE: Post #20

I just finished surfing the 'net for East Coast Flights Round Trip to Salt Lake City.

Those tickets, sans the requisite rental car, for all dates in January on Southwest Airlines,

[generally cheapest from my home airport] had prices between $1250 and $1,350.

So, while I stated $800, it appears that the cost would be approximately $1,400.

From what I think is your nearest airport (and a couple others), it is about $400 round trip on Southwest to SLC. The rental car will be about another hundred dollars. Clearly red chip and low green players cannot afford to travel. But properly played, the EV in Wendover is spectacular, far outweighing the cost of getting there from almost anywhere in the United States. Brain usage is more tolerated than in Reno, even though Reno has more casinos.

Moses is correct about the charter flights going directly to the tiny Wendover airport. See: www.wendoverfun.com

I agree with the unstated premise that traveling to Wendover to play with a weak spread or without sufficient single deck knowledge and experience is a waste of time. Learning how to play single deck in Reno is good practice for Wendover.

I think enough has been said about Wendover for this thread. Those who have not been there will not be able to understand how unique and special it is. I apologize for diverting the thread from the original poster's topic.

**Bodarc** · 11-30-2015, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by seriousplayer

So are my simulations I've done all wrong?

No, using the assumptions you have used they are not wrong but, finding a single deck that will deal down to 13 cards is wrong around here. I think closer to 50% penetration is what you'll usually find unless you just happen to find a new or sloppy dealer. I don't know about elsewhere but I'd venture to say you would be hard pressed to find a single deck game dealt that deep. Others may have a comment but that is my observation.

**seriousplayer** · 11-30-2015, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by moses

I guess I'd have to ask where you plan on playing single deck before I can suggest how to sim it.

I am playing to play in Sparks and Verdi Nevada. Sometimes Wendover.

**LVBear584** · 11-30-2015, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by moses

Sparks is the good ole boys network with locals stopping in after work. Boomtown is near Verdi. The other place in Verdi no longer offers blackjack. So DD 10,11 only 3.2 single deck. 65.6% pen. 1 to 3 spread. You might get away with 1 to 4. NO DAS. Dealer hits S17. Splits Aces once. Do not split tens. Also, straight up or not more than 2 players. All of Reno, Carson City, and Lake Tahoe as well.

Maybe LV Bear can advise you the rules on the 3 places in Wendover he deemed worthwhile. There are some other stops in Winnemucca and Elko if you're driving from Reno to Wendover. But I'm not sure of the rules.

Wendover rules are in Post #11 of this thread. Winnemucca and Elko contain only tiny stakes dumps that will back off quickly.

"seriousplayer" should forget more than one short session at the Boomtown sweatshop with its lousy penetration and low limits; he should instead play the Sparks Nugget he mentioned and the several other playable Reno-area stores, regardless of whether the game is .18 or .44. The D10 rule is nothing to be afraid of -- the game is still only .44. Using a wide spread with anonymous short "blast and run" sessions, he might be surprised at how much EV can be extracted from staid old Reno.

The following two links may help:

Single Deck Game Selection

Counting cards in Reno - General Guide for new players (several years old, but still mostly accurate, with obvious exceptions such as Siena)

**LVBear584** · 11-30-2015, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by moses

Both excellent articles. The first has been my barometer for years. A few things have changed in the 2nd article like Alamo and Sienna are closed. Harrahs has become intolerant. But good pen until you win consistently. You nailed Cal-Neva and yes there is a little correlation between security and criminal element. I could probably provide a good body guard for you. El Dorado isn't a great place either. So that leaves Silver Legacy as your primary resource downtown. Pen is better at green chip tables and up - depending on dealer. Atlantis and Silver Legacy took on Sierra's idea on the shuffler. Sierra's tolerance and pen have lessened considerably as well. Several of the pit personnel of the small places have moved on or want to move on to the larger/better places. So don't think you're safe in a small casino. I'd just avoid them altogether if you're playing here regularly.

Thank you for the kind words.

I would not be able to play there anyway, but Alamo is no more? I thought it was still struggling along with two or three tiny stakes tables. And according to Current Blackjack News, the pathetic Baldini's is still gasping at blackjack life with two or three lousy-rules, tiny stakes six-deck shoes. Both of these hellholes at one time actually had edible coffee shop food (Alamo) or buffet food (Baldini's). Baldini's had a good Cal-Neva sportsbook outlet, now long gone. It might be worth a visit to both places sometime, just to look around and chuckle.

**klove** · 12-01-2015, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by LVBear584

Wendover rules are in Post #11 of this thread. Winnemucca and Elko contain only tiny stakes dumps that will back off quickly.

"seriousplayer" should forget more than one short session at the Boomtown sweatshop with its lousy penetration and low limits; he should instead play the Sparks Nugget he mentioned and the several other playable Reno-area stores, regardless of whether the game is .18 or .44. The D10 rule is nothing to be afraid of -- the game is still only .44. Using a wide spread with anonymous short "blast and run" sessions, he might be surprised at how much EV can be extracted from staid old Reno.

The following two links may help:

Single Deck Game Selection

Counting cards in Reno - General Guide for new players (several years old, but still mostly accurate, with obvious exceptions such as Siena)

I will have to disagree about the Nugget being playable. I made the rounds on my last trip in Reno 5 months ago and sat down at the double deck game and there was two other players. I got 3-4 rounds tops. I took a bathroom break to wait for a new dealer and pen was the same. Needless to say I didn't stick around very long. That was by far the worst game I have ever played in Reno.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-01-2015, 06:54 AM

"I will have to disagree about the Nugget being playable. I made the rounds on my last trip in Reno 5 months ago and sat down at the double deck game and there was two other players. I got 3-4 rounds tops. I took a bathroom break to wait for a new dealer and pen was the same. Needless to say I didn't stick around very long. That was by far the worst game I have ever played in Reno."

The Reno Hilton was the very first place that "backed me off."
The Nugget in Sparks is the only casino that ever CHEATED me
via a "mechanic"; but that was 30 years ago.

**Three** · 12-01-2015, 07:04 AM

The ElDorado in Reno set my partner up to have his comps negated. They made us share a limo with guys asking about counting. My partner slept through the entire conversation and I just said it doesn't work. They later called and cancelled the comps and billed him thousands maybe over 10 thousand dollars for our stay even though we didn't participate in the conversation. Apparently the limo driver reported the conversation to the casino. It was almost certainly a set up. I am not sure how the situation was ultimately resolved but the casino tried to get the money after we got home.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 12-01-2015, 07:10 AM

I have been "trespassed" and evicted, etc. with casinos billing me [after the fact]
for exorbitant "rack rates", meals, etc. In each case I contested the charges and
the decisions went my way. It was apparent that the major credit card banks are
fully aware of this practice.

**Freightman** · 12-01-2015, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

I have been "trespassed" and evicted, etc. with casinos billing me [after the fact]
for exorbitant "rack rates", meals, etc. In each case I contested the charges and
the decisions went my way. It was apparent that the major credit card banks are
fully aware of this practice.

Credit card companies will back you upu up, provided you have confirmation and degree of the comp. though you can always search email records etc.,

I use an app called Trip It. All hotel, car, flight reservations are emailed to my (no charge) account, are stored and displayed in itinerary format. Copies of organized itineraries can then be emailed to wives, kids, etc. It is ideal for the purposes mentioned by Flash, and just an overall terrific app in general. A lot of players who travel to any degree, I'm sure, would find it useful.