Tap - suit asks me me to step away from table
Me - turning around in my chair, not getting up - what can I do for you
Suit - can I see some ID
Me - is there a problem
Suit - no, no problem
Me - then you don't need to see it.
They almost never say "no problem"
Why would that be their response ?
Haha good one. First of all if they don't have an issue they wouldn't be buggin u. If you don't want HEAT then you should act normal and hand them your I.D. They I.D People ALL the Time Specially Younger People. I DONT SEE THE BIG PROBLEM. BY DENYING YOUR ONLY BRINGING MORE EYES TO YOU and THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ESCORT YOU OUT OF THE PREMISES FOR NOT SHOWING I.D.Originally Posted by Freightman
Insert whatever phrase you want - the point is that they have now been challenged to give a legit reason for wanting your ID. I suppose they could actually say - Sir, we believe you are card counting and want your name for database if undesirables - nah, don't think so. The further point, unspoken, is that most people tend to do as they are told. Like sheep (not meant as degrading) challenging them now puts them on the defensive to produce a legit reason for ID. Of course, there is none. The next objective, if course, is to get out with your chips.
The tap from the suits comes with their version of expected responses, which does not include being challenged. The onus is shifted.
Agreed. I don't see the suit saying that there is "no problem". In this narrative, the suits likely response would be to politely tell you that your game is too strong and you are welcome to play any game except blackjack. Unless you are at the SLS, where you are likely to be thrown to the ground and beaten into a coma.
I think we are all in agreement that at this point you are likely getting backed-off at a minimum. You are a bit more optimistic than I am as to the next objective. When I encounter casino management and/or security, my objectives are as follows, in descending order of priority:
1. Leave the encounter alive.
2. Leave the encounter without being taken to jail.
3. Leave the encounter with my anonymity intact.
4. Leave the encounter with all of my possessions including chips (this can swap with #3 if I have a lot of chips).
5. Leave the encounter without having been read the trespass act.
6. Leave the encounter without a back-off.
The point is - you do act normal - you dont raise your voice - you don't call a scene. Of course they have an issue - what is the issue - the ploppy inference is that something illegal is going on.
Just to stop the circle, it would not be in your best interest to show some suit your ID. Further, if our best legal minds tell us that showing ID to police is not required, except under specific circumstances, then my private information is no business of the suits. Their option, at that point is to flat bet me, restrict betting, ask me to leave - whatever.
You are fairly new here. Trust me that showing ID is a problem
Your comments are actually pretty well stated. My expectation is bet restriction or backoff. My tactic, right or wrong, is to put them off balance, without voice escalation, and to get out. Fortunately, I've never had anything that I've regarded as rough or rude.
Granted, I don't look my age - legit in some cases - laughable to the extreme in others, such as this. However, no end to Schlick that would be places pull.
Case in point (paraphrased)
-Don't want card, I was part of Venetian crap, don't care how good your systems are.
- we are to small, don't have to worry about it.
Don't get me wrong, we agree on the main point that you should never show ID in this situation. If the request is phrased as you listed it in your narrative, and you are obviously over 21, then it is a near certainty that you will be backed off regardless of what you do and no good can possibly come from giving the casino your ID in that situation.
What I am questioning is the tactic of putting the PB off balance. I just can't think of any way that this would cause a better outcome. Think of two possibilities.
1 - You are playing at the SLS or maybe El Cortez. The PB has security with him when he approaches. It is going to be an unpleasant BO regardless. I think that putting the PB off balance is likely to cause him to escalate things further toward nasty and away from friendly. The PB's in these joints are frequently ignorant and somewhat unstable folks to start with. This is doubly true for their security guards who are working there during their short stint between prison sentences. These are the kind of people I do not want any more off balance than they are already.
2 - You are playing at a reasonably managed place. The PB is planning to give you a nice friendly BO ("your game is too good for us"). Again, I don't see how putting the PB off guard does anything positive here. If anything it just makes you more memorable to that PB as a bit of a wiseass.
Remember, the outcome is going to be the same regardless. You are not going to show ID and you will be backed off (or possibly 86'd). Putting the PB off balance will not improve that outcome and could only make it worse, IMHO.
What is the positive that you are hoping to gain by putting them off balance?
You ALREADY HAVE HEAT, don't give them your ID!!!! Then you will be in OSN as "Unidentified Male 1004" rather than your picture, name, photo of car with license number, and a description of why you are a bad person.
You should understand that you just burned this joint down and they are going to back you off or 86 you. Giving them anything is an error. Preventing further distribution of your name, face etc is a very important component of having the ability to play elsewhere.
You do not have to say you do not have any ID, I usually respond that I am unwilling to give you ID and they say then you can not play here and I leave without giving them ID. Cashing chips for amounts greater than 2K is another issue.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
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