How do you know when to leave

**Jabberwocky** · 11-20-2015, 04:02 PM

Obviously I finish the shoe. Wouldn't dream of quitting. Why do u think the unit size would matter?

**Freightman** · 11-20-2015, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

Obviously I finish the shoe. Wouldn't dream of quitting. Why do u think the unit size would matter?

Some people use absolute man bet as unit size, while others may choose some multiple. So, $25 min table 30 unit win may be 750 or 1500 or more, depending on unit definition. Makes a difference. We must be bonding. Longest conversation yet.

**Blitzkrieg** · 11-20-2015, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

The O.P. needs a crystal ball - in order to see what the next hour / session / day will bring.

A "Stop Loss" or a "Stop Win" under most circumstances is pure voodoo claptrap.

There are many good reasons to walk away, e.g. heat, fatigue, change in pen',

nearing a CTR, nearing a casino "choke point" etc. BUT the gross win / loss is moot.

The OP doesn't need a crystal ball, he needs to keep doing what he's doing. He's going to do it anyway. The way he titled the thread with the question he posed makes him sound like the typical gambler one will see in a casino, get off one table and hop on the empty one a few tables down and he has to ask when is the right time to leave? Who doesn't know when to leave the table? It's fairly basic and a no-brainer.

**Blitzkrieg** · 11-20-2015, 06:13 PM

If any blackjack player on this board including yourself has ever been 86'ed, thrown out of a casino, banned, flyered, or asked to leave by the floor... then they did NOT know when it was time to leave. Or that their style of play is not welcome.

**Jabberwocky** · 11-20-2015, 06:18 PM

Definitely a winning disposition!

**Blitzkrieg** · 11-20-2015, 06:22 PM

It's about staying under their radar and longevity the way I see it.

**Norm** · 11-20-2015, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

If any blackjack player on this board including yourself has ever been 86'ed, thrown out of a casino, banned, flyered, or asked to leave by the floor... then they did NOT know when it was time to leave.

Disagree. If you have never been backed-off, you are not playing aggressively enough.

**Bigdaddy** · 11-20-2015, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by moses

Point here is it should be "part" of the big picture plan. No one can possibly play in a lifetime up to the results of even the smallest sim. So you develop a plan that is within your control. Suppose you go "all in" to stocks with a 5 year plan to double your money in mind. If you achieve this goal in 6 months then it might be prudent to take some or all profits and use the proceeds to improve your standard of living.

Generally, there is point where the pit or EITS raises an eyebrow at your success. I mean those people are not just walking around in suits and checking trays because they simply like to dressup and count money. There a reason, and if you're good enough, that reason is YOU. So whatever that top is to maintain longevity, the bottom should be relatively equal. This is a game of people played with cards...and the most complex person in the game is the one that is "within" us. Have sound game plan where "you" I mean "you" are in complete control of yourself...and don't worry about things beyond your control.

+1

**Blitzkrieg** · 11-20-2015, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

Disagree. If you have never been backed-off, you are not playing aggressively enough.

Define aggressive in the context and metrics that the casino will judge any player to toss off their tables. A player could use a 1-4 or 1-8 spread and the casino may deem that as aggressive. The amount means nothing. Splitting tens could be deemed as aggressive. Raising a bet 1 unit may be deemed as aggressive. That El Cortez sawdust joint in Vegas, do they deem BJ players as being aggressive?

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 11-21-2015, 06:08 AM

I personally am acquainted with a fellow who had been my student learning Hi-Opt II.
He did well. He decided to learn the Tarzan Count [via private lessons] with Tarzan.
He played the "Sweaty Spaniard" single deck game - flat betting $5. Of course he played
almost perfectly, and won a little money. After a couple of sessions, he decided to spread
from $5 to $10. I kid you not. That was too aggressive for them. He was promptly barred.