When to Wong in and out

[JPhoenixX]

Funny you guys mentioned BJA - I just received it as a birthday gift yesterday!

That's funny the wife just got that for me for my birthday last week.

[DSchles]

Well, happy birthday to both of you, and enjoy the book!

Don

[Smartblackjack]

At what TC is it advisable to Wong in and Wong out in a 6D or 8D shoe? Don't know if it matters, but I'm HiLo with about 40 indices and I've been playing for 6 months. The game I usually play is 8D, S17, DAS, LS. I've always assumed it's best to jump in as soon as I have the advantage, i.e. at TC +1. I generally leave at TC -2. Is that reasonable?
BTW, I'll be going to Vegas next week and staying at the Venetian for a meeting. I was thinking about playing some at Treasure Island and Mirage ($25 min tables) as the rules there look pretty good for places on the Strip. Any other suggestions? I've never played DD but I'm up for trying it if recommended. My trip BR is $2,000 over 3 days (probably 10 hrs of play). My total BR is 20K.
Thanks!

Why would you play a six or an 8 deck shoe in Vegas when they have double deck games with amazing rules in vegas? The double deck games at Palace Station are h17, double any two cards, double after split, and 3/2 on blackjack, with a $10 minimum. I won $475 on the game spreading $10 to $30 in 2 hours. The best time to wong out is when the count goes bad on the first deal after the deck was just shuffled.

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[Bigdaddy]

At what TC is it advisable to Wong in and Wong out in a 6D or 8D shoe? Don't know if it matters, but I'm HiLo with about 40 indices and I've been playing for 6 months. The game I usually play is 8D, S17, DAS, LS. I've always assumed it's best to jump in as soon as I have the advantage, i.e. at TC +1. I generally leave at TC -2. Is that reasonable?

Keep in mind that the optimum Wong-out point is highly dependent on penetration. The deeper the pen, the later the Wong-out point. In cases of excellent penetration such as 7.5/8 or 5.5/6, the optimum Wong-out point is not -1. It's probably in the -3 or -4 range. Makes sense in that you don't want to give up on a shoe too early if there's a good chance of getting a high count towards the end of the shoe.

[DSchles]

"Keep in mind that the optimum Wong-out point is highly dependent on penetration."

No, it is very mildly dependent on penetration.

"The deeper the pen, the later the Wong-out point."

Just barely.

"In cases of excellent penetration such as 7.5/8 or 5.5/6, the optimum Wong-out point is not -1. It's probably in the -3 or -4 range."

That is almost certainly not true.

Don

[Cardguy]

Just read Chapter 13 of Don's great book BJA last night (thanks for the suggestion Tthree, thanks for the great book Don, and thanks for the birthday present wifey!). Here's what I took away from it. Early in the shoe (maybe 1 deck in or so) is the time to tolerate the worst TC without leaving the table (usually in the -1 to -1.5 range depending on penetration). Surprisingly, the later you go in the shoe, the less tolerant you should be of a negative count. As you approach the cut card, even a TC of 0 would be reason to Wong out. This surprised me greatly but I trust the math!

[Cardguy]

I see that Don chimed in as I was writing my post. Did I get it right?

[Freightman]

Just read Chapter 13 of Don's great book BJA last night (thanks for the suggestion Tthree, thanks for the great book Don, and thanks for the birthday present wifey!). Here's what I took away from it. Early in the shoe (maybe 1 deck in or so) is the time to tolerate the worst TC without leaving the table (usually in the -1 to -1.5 range depending on penetration). Surprisingly, the later you go in the shoe, the less tolerant you should be of a negative count. As you approach the cut card, even a TC of 0 would be reason to Wong out. This surprised me greatly but I trust the math!

Reminds me of a cute and true story.
Some years back, I was playing at a $10 table, which also included an unwanted low grade counter. About mid shoe, I think, he left the table for a tactical whiz. When he returned, I was at 2 squares max bet, winning hand after hand. Served him right. I'm sure I had something caustic to say, though dont remember what.

[BigJer]

That's funny the wife just got that for me for my birthday last week.

Mine was last week too BTW.

[Gronbog]

Happy birthday, but I'm not buying you the book

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Why would you play a six or an 8 deck shoe in Vegas when they have double deck games with amazing rules in vegas?"

Because the Heat is truly volcanic at DD games in Las Vegas,
while the 6 deckers with fine rules have a low House Edge.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Why would you play a six or an 8 deck shoe in Vegas when they have double deck games with amazing rules in vegas?"

Because the Heat is truly volcanic at DD games in Las Vegas,
while the 6 deckers with fine rules have a low House Edge.

The Station Casinos will accept light action on their DD tables
where the addition of RSA (resplit Aces) drops the House Edge
from 0.40% to 0.35% on their H17 DD games.

Six deckers in Las Vegas can often be found with S17, RSA,
and LS that combine for a much lower House Edge of 0.26%

You MUST know the House Edge ~ GAME SELECTION is crucial.

[Cardguy]

Here's a question. If the house edge is better for a player using BS only, does this also mean the edge is better for a counter. In other words, is it possible for a game with a worse HE to have a better SCORE because someone is counting?