Should there be more casinos?

[UK-21]

. . . Anyways, I feel like doing a study in legalized gambling it's social effects.

You'll be one of many . . . . although there's always room for more, particularly of the independent, objective variety.

Look up a guy named Earl Grinnols (Prof) from your side of the pond. He's been doing it for years - studing the impact of legalised gambling and on the local areas when a new casino is opened. It don't make great readng. I came across him when I picked up a copy of Who Wins?, Who Loses?, a collection of pieces of work on exactly this theme, pulled together by an academic in the UK. Somewhat dated now (2003), but I suspect little of the fundimentals have changed.

[Koz84]

what the fuck happened with the cus over there, they still this shitty in mahagony, I heard 1.8 out of 8

Mahogany is S17, other shitty rules apply. $100 min, sometimes $50 during the day. Haven't been inside for a while, though. Most people I know are banned from it. It's probably 1.8/8 on average. Sounds about right. Main floor is up to 2.5 with H17.

[pnork]

Any idea on the conditions in Adelaide, Koz?

[BigJer]

You'll be one of many . . . . although there's always room for more, particularly of the independent, objective variety.

Look up a guy named Earl Grinnols (Prof) from your side of the pond. He's been doing it for years - studing the impact of legalised gambling and on the local areas when a new casino is opened. It don't make great readng. I came across him when I picked up a copy of Who Wins?, Who Loses?, a collection of pieces of work on exactly this theme, pulled together by an academic in the UK. Somewhat dated now (2003), but I suspect little of the fundimentals have changed.

Thanks man. I shall.

[MJGolf]

OK, I understand Metro's gripe about OK casinos..........he is too far probably from the no-ante places.........LOL It's why he enjoys Bossier City better perhaps. But if you come more into the central or NE areas of the State there are NO ante games. Competition makes things better.........usually.

But while Oklahoma, until this year, was supposedly the fastest growing State for casino revenue increases (percentage wise I'm sure), though they sure brag about being near top of Indian Gaming revenue...........It for the FIRST time had an annual DECREASE in revenue paid to the State. If this won't perk up eyes, nothing will, because we have a laissez faire attitude of the "powers that be" as to actual REGULATION or enforcement of the Gambling Compact. There is NO way this should be occurring when actual revenue is increasing. But it does bring to mind are we now so saturated on places to play that there should NOT be more casinos? Or do you really think more will bring better conditions.........

Big Jer brings up sociological aspects. Is there not some finite percentage of true gambling public? I now that a significant portion of my friends and family do NOT gamble or play in any means. Not all do. We are not talking about AP play.........just regular gamer/gamblers. Without a certain portion of this public playing the number of casinos CAN NOT be supported.

See: http://newsok.com/american-indian-ga...rticle/5461063

[RS]

It's beyond the point of diminishing returns. With few casinos, there is no (little) competition, so any conditions can be had, and people would play. With many casinos, competition increases, so they may try to figure out a way to bring in customers (better rules, better promotions). When casinos become densely populated, there is so much competition, even by offering better rules and good promotions, they still can't "get by".

Imagine a small town with 2 grocery stores on opposite sides of the town. Not much competition, so they can do what they want (jack up prices). When more stores open, they must compete against each other, usually by offering coupons, cheaper prices, more variety, or higher quality. If there's a grocery store on every corner....guess what, I'm not driving 3 blocks away to save a couple bucks, I'm going across the street where it is most convenient (usually). Sure, some people will drive across town to save a few bucks, others may shop at several locations, buying the cheapest items at each location [ie: the "AP's"].

Some places, the market is heavily saturated, where an increase in casinos will hurt the casino businesses. Other places, where there are NO casinos (Texas), if new casinos are put in, they'll get business due to convenience (Texans won't have to go to the south, LV, AC, or MW to gamble). In places where there are few casinos (or just 1), an increase in casinos, in these areas, would increase competition, as long as the new casinos aren't far enough away to steal customers based on convenience.

[What me worry]

I have played in Ok and I have found some playable games, with low limits though. I have also found some stores pay the ante for you Tues-Thurs. Back to the Op's question I like what North Dakota has done except the limits are to low. In North Dakota nearly every beer joint (N. Dakota towns have several drinking establishments) has a Bj table if not 3 or more along with a few other card games and a wheel of fortune wheel (I believe that's what its called) Table limits are $2.00-$25.00. After I read my first A.P. book I spent a week working in Grand Forks and Fargo playing these low limit games just to get a feel of live play. I would like to see any place with an on site liquor license have the option to have a gaming license as well. With different levels of table limits tied to the type or level of gaming license purchased. Just my $.02


With the mention of competition and diminishing conditions it would very interesting to see how the big super casino's would react to the smaller establishments taking their small stakes customers away from them. I believe it would be similar type situation as say Walmart vs. dollar general, dollar store, dollar tree, Family Dollar, Big lots etc... again just my $.02

[ZenMaster_Flash]

There are "underground" casinos and poker rooms pretty
much throughout the USA; although maybe not in Utah.

[Avincow]

There are "underground" casinos and poker rooms pretty
much throughout the USA; although maybe not in Utah.

How can I find them?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

How can I find them?

Ask the right people:

Who are the right people ?

• Cab Drivers
• Bartenders
• Bookies
• Hotel Door Persons

[SplittingFives]

Ask the right people:

Who are the right people ?

• Cab Drivers
• Bartenders
• Bookies
• Hotel Door Persons

Are broken legs included at these underground spots once you're found to be a counter?

[What me worry]

There are underground cherry master machine game rooms all over Texas they pay in coupons or marbles and you have to drive all over town exchanging them for something else till you get paid in cash. I wasn't speaking of anything illegal in my earlier post about North Dakota.

[Freightman]

I voted yes, and please in Texas!!
I wonder if I'll ever see it in my lifetime (60 on Oct.24, and yes we had a hell of a party)

It would kill (and rightly so) ante BJ in OK.

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