Help with my DD game

[JPhoenixX]

So I've been playing a lot of DD using zen lately. I found one place that has a pretty good game, I've averaged over $190 an hour without breaking a sweat. So far there has been minimal heat. The dealers love me, the pit crew will stop to bs, everyone has a great time. I am a little worried that if I keep this up they will eventually tell me to take a hike.
I've tried to spread out and play the same game at other places and have had no luck at all. The only difference is the pen, but it isn't a huge difference between 3 of the places.

I'm wondering if I am experiencing some bad variance that just so happens to be when I try a different store. Or is there a way I can change my approach to these other places that don't cut as deep.

The game is DD H17 nDAS all of them cut between 1/2 and 1/4 of a deck. My ramp is 1-7 with my max going out around tc +8.

Any ideas would be helpful, I don't like winning money from one place just to give it back to another.

[stopgambling]

A store will never love you. They only love you for your money.Of course they are pretending to be your friend.

[Romes]

I've got a lot of things to discuss/ask...

1) Given your rules, and assuming "good" DD rules past that (since you didn't comment on DA2 or D9-11, etc)... I'm assuming this is your complete rules: 2D, H17, nDAS, DA, RSto4Hands, NS. This comes up to a HE = .6%... not exactly a "pretty good game."
2) You're saying you're averaging $190/hour w/ your max bet (1-7 spread) out at TC +8... I disagree unless you're spreading purples. If you're spreading blacks ($100-$700) and bet your max bet ($700) at TC +2 and up (and if you're currently upping your bet at TC +1 you're losing money on that because it's a .6% HE game), that's still only an hourly rate of $107, assuming you wong out at TC < -2 and are getting 100 hands per hour. For a $100-$700 bet with a good ramp, you're hourly (same assumptions) is ~$64/hour. Do note: this is for Hi/Low, BUT Zen will not produce "that much" more per hour. Even if it produced another $20/hour that's still absolutely no where near what you're stating.
3) What exactly do you need help with? Getting them to cut deeper? Or are you getting destroyed at these other games?

It sounds like #3 is you're doing poorly at 2 places and great at 1... This is just pure variance if that's the case. Just put equal time/hours in to all places and so long as the rules/PEN are basically the same you should have a very very close Expected Value from each game. You should be able to calculate your EV for each game separately and compare.

[stopgambling]

A 1/4 deck(75%) cut off is a great game.a 1/2 decks(87.5%) off is a good game.What a .6 HE does not affect that much. So , I do not understand what is so bad about his game.The OP's result is just variance .Eventually the "good" store is not much different from the "average " store ,except of course the major difference of a 1/4 deck pen. i hope when the Op states 1/2 deck pen he means half a deck cut off instead of HALF THE DOUBLE DECK cut off which is 50% pen.

[Frank Galvin]

Excuse me but a quarter (1/4) deck cut-off on a DD game is not 75% but 87.5%.
Similarly, a one-half (1/2) deck cut-off from a DD game is not 87.5%, but 75%.

Either I read your post dyslexically, or your posted your calculations in reverse order.

[JPhoenixX]

The HE is .6 I can double any 1st 2 cards no surrender. There is no NMSE but not many people are playing this table. I'm playing green chips, don't think I'm ready to throw a purple out there. I'm not sure about hi lo but with Zen I gain .33% with every increase in TC. So at TC +2 we are about even, +8 I have about a 2% advantage.

This table has been insane for me. I usually hit it with 3 or 4 quick sessions a trip. There has only been one session that made me wonder if I was going to break even. The rest of the time it is a steady stream of chips in my direction. I know I'm on the positive side of variance but I feel like there must be something else going on. Even when I pull money out of the other places it is slow and not near as much.

Can going from 1/4 to 1/2 deck (not half of both decks) really make that much of a difference. If so how do I go about getting them to cut deeper without screaming counter? Or should I be more or less aggressive with my betting to overcome it? Or is it just a coincidence that I get my negative swings out of the way when I play somewhere else?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"I've averaged over $190 an hour."

$190 profit per hour means that you have been extremely
lucky, or more in keeping with e.v., you are betting black.

If you are really betting green with a 1-7 spread then your
spectacular results so far is between double and triple your
actual expectation! That means that you have a rather
short playing history ~ OR ~ your bookkeeping is poor

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"My ramp is 1-7 ..."

Ordinarily a spread beyond 6-1 is going to bring you up against the casino
"choke point" for a DD game, but this game is poor enough so that they just
MIGHT take 8-1. RE: longevity cut back to 6-1, and stop betting "odd" amounts.

[Jabberwocky]

You can beat a 50% pen DD game. Increase your spread and wong out at -2. But make sure the rules are good.

[MJGolf]

You can beat a 50% pen DD game. Increase your spread and wong out at -2. But make sure the rules are good.

That would be great IF you had other games you could go to. In our location and for that matter even in Tunica, there are NOT that many pitch games. Well there are definitely more double decks than single although there are a few left. In OK; very, very few pitch games. So wonging out or sitting out at neg deck is good advice; but not always possible..........usually I try to just lower my bet. But you need to make sure you have a back story to sit out some hands until dealer will reshuffle if you are trying to wong out when the deck is negative. We just don't have that many games around us Jabber. So like in other instances, gotta figure out some kind of "camo" I guess..........LOL "Like I gotta throw up; the cards you are dealing me are SO bad..........."

[stopgambling]

Either I read your post dyslexically, or your posted your calculations in reverse order.

i did got them in reverse order We should all know what a great DD game is if we did our work of getting the info. As in reading the right book ,or for the math guru doing themselves. p.s. i do not think a DD with 87.5% exist but you just never know. I have seen some weird stuff .