... that would be uncommon courtesy, then.Originally Posted by KJ
Nothing wrong with being more courteous than the next guy, however.
IYour still off the mark. I made money on the shoe. I was pissed, because the dolt, in need of a lobotomy, drilled saliva out of the side of his mouth for 2 full shoes, didn't get the less than subtle comments to buzz off, coughed and farted in the same breath, and wonged the table. (Did I mention the tobacco odor?) okay - he was just plain stupid.
He lacked the brain cells necessary to properly take advantage of the situation. I hope I don't run into this facsimile of the walking dead in future.
In similar situations, I also ask politely if they wouldn't mind holding off for a few hands. When those individuals comply, win or lose, I always thank them for their consideration. Ploppies do this stuff all the time, but they don't know any better. BTW, don't worry about my bankroll. ROR is about .01%
Last, but not least, an interesting new thread could well be about ploppies bonehead plays that help you. I have a lot of those stories.
Last edited by Freightman; 09-08-2015 at 12:48 PM. Reason: To correct word typo that changed meaning of intent
I usually try to avoid the added heat of the HL room if the same game can be found on the floor. There are so many a-hole's that will be jumping into your game that it isn't worth getting bothered because one is an AP. This area is full of the inconsiderate type. I think Philly is the worst with AC coming in a close second. You go to New England area and almost everyone will either ask before entering or just ask for lammers and what without being asked. Delaware is not too bad especially as you get farther away from Philly. At least that is my experience. The entire point of game selection is picking the narrow windows where you can play without this type of BS if you are playing in an area full of inconsiderate people. After enough time the window closes and the tables et this issue again.
AP Protocol? If I see a game that can be played I will do the same thing to you.....I want you gone too and it doesn't matter if you were there first. The stronger Lion eats the kill....thats kind of how look at it. We aren't friends, brothers in arms, kindred spirits, or anything remotely close to that. In my mind other APs in my feeding ground need to go. So if I make them uncomfortable and they leave.....fine. If they don't, well I deal with it then. And if its bad to play there with another AP present and I can't get them to leave, I will. Its not about pride, its about making money especially at the professional level. My balls and brains are for business,my heart is for family. Nothing personal just care about my business way more than a strangers.
Well, if you're whoring yourself without regard to ethical business practice - I guess that's your business. Regardless of venture, you need to understand what goes around comes around - might take some time, but it always happens.
In my time, I've known many businessmen - some of them whore mongering penny pinchers, with attitudes similar to what you've expressed, and others with high ethical standards, honoured and respected among their peers. The most successful of these individuals were of the latter variety. You don't have to know who is who within a group - you can always figure that out at the time of their funerals.
I find it puzzling that we refer to various casinos in the same manner - whore mongers - yet justify self whore mongering practices. The cream rises, without the need of classless behaviour. Good luck to you.
A fine post #31 by Freightman. I completely concur.
There is a sizable sub-population of low-life unethical,
narcissistic, predatory, asocial, antisocial, dumb-ass
scum to be found at BJ tables. It draws them like a ...
I find post #31 by Freightman and Post #32 by Flash completely unnecessary and inappropriate.
While I personally don't agree with Tbonz aggressive way of handling this situation, it is not uncommon among top professionals of which Tbonz most certainly is.
I have voiced my concern about how this site has and continues to drive away the top professional players and this is yet another example.
Tbonz is one of the all-time greats in this business and agree or disagree with a specific position, his posts are invaluable and any site and it's members, particularly this site, which a high volume of newer members should feel extremely fortune when he does post.
He posts infrequently, dating back to Ken's site for me, maybe longer for others, but he deserves much more respect than he just received here. A member of his tremendous credentials and success should be encouraged to participate more, not disrespected like this.
I don't know Tbonz - if he is the consummate pro you say he is - I believe you - and if he feels aggrieved, then, I'm sure he is quite capable to defend his position, and I would be pleased to debate with him.
We may clearly disagree on this particular point, which does not mean that we would not agree on many other issues.
As for driving away pros etc, etc., go have a better look on your preferred site.
This displays an elitist attitude. He isn't the only one with a track record. Others that have been marginalized and attacked have had track records vouched for by long established pros but unless they are in a certain click they are not afforded such respect despite being a long established successful AP. A lot of things are discussed on this forum. Some of these the long established AP's know very little about from experience if they never had to grow a BR. People should be afforded the respect in the areas they are experienced at and not in other areas. So some people think they need to hurt and disrespect people to be successful. We see this in many successful people...in business that is. There are more things to be successful at in life than business and business is not high up on the list when put them in order of importance. That was Freightman's point when he mentioned how many attend ones funeral. If you are smart you will find a way to do things without doing others harm. Of course there are a lot of successful people that are not smart. Just as there are a lot of smart people with no common sense. Personally I strive to treat people well and help others in all my pursuits. We are all human and occasionally wish we could do better as we fall short of our desire to do what we know is right. That is a personal choice and I have a short list of certain behaviors that when seen in others flag them as someone you can't allow yourself to get close to. The risk of being another one of the people they feel a need to step on in order to overcome their own failings is high.
Sir, please don't make reference to what you think is my preferred site. It should be obvious that I have a soft spot for this site. I sort of view this as the landing place of ken's site, which is where I started. That is why despite my displeasure with many things here, I continue to try to participate and try to make my participation work.
Your comment of the other site driving away pros, I presume is in reference to your own situation. Sir, you did that yourself. It was overdue in coming. I'd be willing to bet that is a strong consensus opinion, even from members that participate on both sites and were subject to the situation.
I do realize that many here may not know exactly who Tbonz is as he posts infrequently and went by a different handle on our previous home (ken's site). But, yes he is the long-time highly successful player and team organizer/manager that I say he is, although he is unlikely to 'tout' his own success. And there are few 'real deal professionals' remaining here to stand up for him.
I doubt Tbonz would be bothered by the responses as I am on his behalf. He is the type of guy that doesn't waste time 'debating' things of this nature. He is likely to just have a 'why bother participating' attitude and go on his way not sharing his experiences. For that everyone here loses....believe me.
Norman likes to say, criticize the post, not the poster. This situation would have been the ideal spot for that sentiment. I, myself said, I don't agree with that aggressive position, but there was certainly no need for the name calling that followed, to someone that really should be respected to a much greater degree.
Last edited by KJ; 09-09-2015 at 10:30 AM.
I assume you mean 'clique'?? Like how your little 'clique' disrespect me and rates me as unhelpful every chance they get in an effort to marginalize me. Is that what you are talking about?
I'll give you this much....I am the fool for having continued to try to make this work.
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