Ace Location, an introduction

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 08-25-2015, 11:16 AM

While this is just an elementary introduction to Ace Location / Steering it is presented in a straightforward simple manner.

http://apheat.net/2015/08/25/join-the-strip-club/

**Koz84** · 08-25-2015, 02:19 PM

Unfortunately for me, this is something I cannot capitalise upon here in Australia. My local casino uses an ASM, and when it does break down, uses a 3 pass manual shuffle that is (almost) impossible to track. I have, however, been able to take advantage of back card exposure post-shuffle. They do not protect it very well.

**biggg** · 08-25-2015, 10:39 PM

I saw a team doing this at a large store northeast. They weren't shy about it either - would go straight from table min to max. The hand I saw the ace did come out but they lost the hand.

Seems tough to do but fun. Problem is it requires a team and that just cuts down the profits for each.

**Masterhoudini** · 08-25-2015, 10:45 PM

Variance is huge on this and should not be underestimated.

**muckz** · 08-25-2015, 10:54 PM

Flash, don't you believe this method to be illegal?

**Freightman** · 08-25-2015, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by muckz

Flash, don't you believe this method to be illegal?

I'll make exactly the same comment to you as I made to my sister in law very recently, who asked' "isn't card counting illegal?"

How can it be illegal to think!

**muckz** · 08-25-2015, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

I'll make exactly the same comment to you as I made to my sister in law very recently, who asked' "isn't card counting illegal?"

How can it be illegal to think!

Ask Flash.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 08-26-2015, 05:45 AM

muckz,

You said,

"Flash, don't you believe this method to be illegal?"

You are confusing concepts of "cheating", "legality", and "ethics"

Using your eyes and your memory to track an Ace is none of the above.

**NotEnoughHeat** · 09-04-2015, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

muckz,

You said,

"Flash, don't you believe this method to be illegal?"

You are confusing concepts of "cheating", "legality", and "ethics"

Using your eyes and your memory to track an Ace is none of the above.

Just to clarify, for future reference.

Flash has previously made claims that certain well known advantage plays are cheating or unethical which is a separate claim from whether are not they are legal (but possibly sheds light on what he thinks should be legal).