Most Important Aspect

[Cougfan]

I agree 100% so this bring to mind the question. Card or no Card. They are going to know you and rate you no matter what at a local. I own a business and I recognize probably 90% of the people who have walked into my location as having been in before even if it was just once. At least with a card you can get something... additionally you can use to card for other games to round out your game selection and look more like an overall gambler. Hell, drop a grand on craps from time to time. Bet minimum and kill some time. Or use it to play Video Black Jack with any free slot play you get. Dropping $100 into video blackjack did wonders for my slot play kick back at one place I was at. They were new and I think they were treating them like $5.00 slot machines on the players card. I got crazy crazy points off that and ended up $10.00 up.

In this situation the problem with using a card isn't really related to that one local store since as you note, a back-off will be just as impactful whether they have your real name or not. The problem is that if they have your real name and they contribute to a database, then you can burn your real name out at other places as well. Same risk to a lesser extent for a flyer as opposed to a database.

[paymypush]

The Borgata, the best A.C. has to offer, (though very sweaty), has signs on
the tables limiting those without player's cards to a $1,000 maximum bet !

I will not be surprised if/when they lower that to a $500 ceiling.

It's actually one hand only at 10 times the table minimum.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

paymypush,

You said,

"It's actually one hand only at 10 times the table minimum."

Unless the signage has been changed, you are wrong, but
I haven't played there since last year, when their designated
"Counter Catcher" backed me off ~ with a bizarre harangue.

[Masterhoudini]

Pay my push is right, current as of 2015 when you don't use a card. It is 10x table min there- so $50 is $500 max etc. They don't back off but will flat bet you.

Perhaps Adrianno can step in and confirm.

[Adrianno]

Pay my push is right, current as of 2015 when you don't use a card. It is 10x table min there- so $50 is $500 max etc. They don't back off but will flat bet you.

Perhaps Adrianno can step in and confirm.

Currently Borg has several ways to deal with skilled players/unwelcome guests:


1) Borg flat-bets all the threatening-APs (i.e., Doctorbj, MasterHoudini, SmallCapGrowth, etc...) in the amount of $200,

2) It restricts the less-threatening-APs in the amount of 50 bucks max,

3) It restricts all the unrated-players (mostly the degenerated losers/dealers from other casinos) 10 times the table minimum, i.e, @$5 table, max=$50. @$25 table, max=$250, and

4) It trespasses the confrontational "APs or hustlers". Recently a Black guy was issued a trespassing-ticket right by pit#4 (the $25 bj pit).

There is a way to avoid the above restrictions/countermeasures, i.e., just think of Desiderius Erasmus' quote: "Prevention is better than cure." You have to find your own way...as Captain Jack sez: "Nobody is going to divulge their secrets. Nobody is going to give you a roadmap..."

[Orangechip2]

paymypush,

You said,

"It's actually one hand only at 10 times the table minimum."

Unless the signage has been changed, you are wrong, but
I haven't played there since last year, when their designated
"Counter Catcher" backed me off ~ with a bizarre harangue.

do they have more than one "counter catcher" ? He may not of been referred to as a counter catcher 3 years ago, but I'm almost certain that was his only function. I have the funniest story with this jokester, but would quickly reveal myself to anyone on here that worked there sometime ago.

[KJ]

Pay my push is right, current as of 2015 when you don't use a card. It is 10x table min there- so $50 is $500 max etc. They don't back off but will flat bet you.

Perhaps Adrianno can step in and confirm.

This is interesting to me. Back when I lived on the east coast, played Borgata several days a week and wore out my welcome there, which has been 6-7 years now, they would pull a $5-$50 card, which only applied to me. And it didn't matter that I was playing $25 or $50 minimum tables. My personal limits were set to this $5-$50, which both confused and annoyed any other players at the table.

Had they allowed me a $50-$500 spread, I would have continued playing. At my levels I could live with a $50-$500 spread, but not much you can do with a $5-$50 spread (except attempt to annoy them).

So, if you continue playing with this $50-$500 spread, are there further, escalated countermeasures that are taken, say flat betting? Or is flat betting not allowed in NJ? I guess at that point they would reduce penetration to unplayable levels.

[Goatlife]

Currently Borg has several ways to deal with skilled players/unwelcome guests:


1) Borg flat-bets all the threatening-APs (i.e., Doctorbj, MasterHoudini, SmallCapGrowth, etc...) in the amount of $200,

2) It restricts the less-threatening-APs in the amount of 50 bucks max,

3) It restricts all the unrated-players (mostly the degenerated losers/dealers from other casinos) 10 times the table minimum, i.e, @$5 table, max=$50. @$25 table, max=$250, and

4) It trespasses the confrontational "APs or hustlers". Recently a Black guy was issued a trespassing-ticket right by pit#4 (the $25 bj pit).

There is a way to avoid the above restrictions/countermeasures, i.e., just think of Desiderius Erasmus' quote: "Prevention is better than cure." You have to find your own way...as Captain Jack sez: "Nobody is going to divulge their secrets. Nobody is going to give you a roadmap..."

dude Im confinced you work for them and your the same dude on bj21 that post from cracked out handles, I can blast your real name if you would like here... just come out and admit it. Also, Borgata trespasses people when you smack them in the face with wins when they realize your never going away no matter what they do. There trespasses cant hold up by the way, just call the chick at nj gaming, its not worth the hastle to play there but pretty much anybody can go there and spread to 2x1k on Friday and sat night. Go to 25 dollar table on swing shift and wait to card counter catcher richy shows up and blast 1x25 to 2x1k or higher to get there attention and spread opposite the count till he goes away then change pits. If you move pits and they go right to the phone they put the computer on your play so now you phave to do a progression bet for 2 hours. Go back the following weekend and now you have a clean card and your good for 50k a name. Trash name at 45k , rinse and repeat, that's how you smack Borgata, fuck them.

[Goatlife]

This is interesting to me. Back when I lived on the east coast, played Borgata several days a week and wore out my welcome there, which has been 6-7 years now, they would pull a $5-$50 card, which only applied to me. And it didn't matter that I was playing $25 or $50 minimum tables. My personal limits were set to this $5-$50, which both confused and annoyed any other players at the table.

Had they allowed me a $50-$500 spread, I would have continued playing. At my levels I could live with a $50-$500 spread, but not much you can do with a $5-$50 spread (except attempt to annoy them).

So, if you continue playing with this $50-$500 spread, are there further, escalated countermeasures that are taken, say flat betting? Or is flat betting not allowed in NJ? I guess at that point they would reduce penetration to unplayable levels.

They put auto shuffles in the s17 pit when they instituted this rules, as a result they made the pen worse in the green chip min pit which is definitely a healthy 2 deck cut now (lucky to find 1.75 in that) So that game is pretty hard at full tables with a 1-10 spread.. they don't really sweat it but if you get the wrong flow person they will get the counter catcher to catch your play. if you play on Friday and sat night (grave is the best) you will be invisible at 50-500. Ceasars 100-1000 is good and harrahs will check you out 100-1000 but there easy to fool. Ballys is sweaty and there is a chick in red hair who is there counter catcher. If you keep showing up for years they try to get in your face and make fun of you and there family so hopefully you will get nasty and fight back so they can bar you on disorderly conduct. Just complement them on make 40k a year and congradulate them on the wonderful life disicions in life they made to be at the prime in there career stuck in lavish atlantic city.. When they get in your face just take out your phone and record them and tell them your going to gaming, they back down quick as they don't want to be recorded.

[KJ]

They put auto shuffles in the s17 pit when they instituted this rules, as a result they made the pen worse in the green chip min pit which is definitely a healthy 2 deck cut now (lucky to find 1.75 in that) So that game is pretty hard at full tables with a 1-10 spread.. they don't really sweat it but if you get the wrong flow person they will get the counter catcher to catch your play. if you play on Friday and sat night (grave is the best) you will be invisible at 50-500. Ceasars 100-1000 is good and harrahs will check you out 100-1000 but there easy to fool. Ballys is sweaty and there is a chick in red hair who is there counter catcher. If you keep showing up for years they try to get in your face and make fun of you and there family so hopefully you will get nasty and fight back so they can bar you on disorderly conduct. Just complement them on make 40k a year and congradulate them on the wonderful life disicions in life they made to be at the prime in there career stuck in lavish atlantic city.. When they get in your face just take out your phone and record them and tell them your going to gaming, they back down quick as they don't want to be recorded.

Wow! Not my style at all. I am a much more mellow, 'find and play within the tolerance levels' type guy. Find that area that we can co-exist.

Call me a 'wuss', but for me, making a living at this HAS to still entail some level of enjoying what I do. Getting in the pit's face, threats, putting them down about life/career choices and disorderly conducts are not going to work for me. I guess that's why YOU make the big bucks and I just touch 6 figures a year (EV). But. I'm ok with that trade off.

Sounds like, I got out of AC and headed west at just about the right time (for me anyway).

[ZenMaster_Flash]

S.C.G.,

Please give phone number for calling gaming in A.C.

I had thought that gaming had been done away with

and the State Police were handed the job of policing

the casinos, and were basically doing nothing at all.

Years ago, each A C Casino had a booth manned by

an agent 24/7.

[ZenKinG]

They put auto shuffles in the s17 pit when they instituted this rules, as a result they made the pen worse in the green chip min pit which is definitely a healthy 2 deck cut now (lucky to find 1.75 in that) So that game is pretty hard at full tables with a 1-10 spread.. they don't really sweat it but if you get the wrong flow person they will get the counter catcher to catch your play. if you play on Friday and sat night (grave is the best) you will be invisible at 50-500. Ceasars 100-1000 is good and harrahs will check you out 100-1000 but there easy to fool. Ballys is sweaty and there is a chick in red hair who is there counter catcher. If you keep showing up for years they try to get in your face and make fun of you and there family so hopefully you will get nasty and fight back so they can bar you on disorderly conduct. Just complement them on make 40k a year and congradulate them on the wonderful life disicions in life they made to be at the prime in there career stuck in lavish atlantic city.. When they get in your face just take out your phone and record them and tell them your going to gaming, they back down quick as they don't want to be recorded.

lool

[Three]

Gaming Enforcement is an arm of the state police.