Preparing For Vegas

[Stealth]

** Important **: At a typical spread of $15-25 to 2 x $300. Is $10K enough for 3-4 days of play? Or do I need like 15-20K? Don't want to carry that much for a weekend warrior type thing.

These are the type of questions asked by the "technical counters" who have little clue about the risk levels they are taking or the "get away with it" side of the game. If you can not answer your own questions about bankrolls, then I question how well prepared you are to attack the LV strip.

I really don't mean to be disrespectful, but you commentary and questions scream of your lack of preparedness to do this.

The players on this forum are not going to give you a list of casinos to play. The fact that you asked is indicative of your level of experience. If you take that game to the strip and the local casinos, you have an 75% chance (my guess) of being in OSN before the trip is over.

As a reaction (did not run sims due to too little infomation) to your question about bankroll to support the trip, your risk of ruin is very very high (likely over 30%) and 20K is probably not enough for that game.

Highly advise, more planning and understanding before putting 20K at risk.

[Ryemo]

I did a 36 hour session at the Wynn several months back and had a huge upswing and felt relatively no heat, however the pitboss did say, "2021, are you card counting?" straight to my face.

Will definitely play at stingy TI, Wynn & Encore from past experiences. Either they don't care about my action or I was fresh so they let it slide, either way these 3 places tolerated me, and I'm pretty aggressive with my tombstoning spread and wonging. Would you rate these 3 places at least a C or B rating to play at?

1) If the pit truly suspects you're counting, they're not going to ask you. You'll just get a tap on the shoulder and you'll find yourself accompanied by a casino manager and a couple of security guards.

2) I don't know how you lasted in the stores you mentioned, but I would stay clear of them. Especially TI! I got backed off in less than 10 min there and they weren't very nice about it! It was probably my own fault and I'm pretty sure I got flyered, but the key is to learn from these mistakes.

3) Get a rental car and play off the strip. On my last 5 day trip, I didn't even step foot on the strip till day 4. The strip doesn't have many attractive games unless you have a large BR or don't mind playing at a high RoR. Not to say there aren't decent games to be found, but there are certainly better ones elsewhere. I'm not sure what kind of BR you're working with or what you consider an ideal RoR, but CVCX accompanied by CBJN can help outline what stores are worth playing or not. Good luck.

[20 to 1 Spread]

1) If the pit truly suspects you're counting, they're not going to ask you. You'll just get a tap on the shoulder and you'll find yourself accompanied by a casino manager and a couple of security guards.

I'm not going to lie, I had zero cover for my 36 hour session, I literally gave no fracks at that point. I assumed they assumed I was a degenerate beginner CC so they were just w/e. Not to mention my past history with them 1-2 years ago and I blew up my roll pretty hard in one session. If grinding it out for another 30 hours and fluctuating my way up to $12K, I consider that heatless imo.

but I would stay clear of them. Especially TI! I got backed off in less than 10 min there and they weren't very nice about it! It was probably my own fault and I'm pretty sure I got flyered, but the key is to learn from these mistakes.

I actually saw someone get a phone upstairs to review their play after they left. I can't remember much, but I believe the guy was 2x spreading. After seeing that, I got scared. I did not extract more than $2K from TI over the course of 5-6 sessions playing rated **spread throughout a year**

As a reaction (did not run sims due to too little infomation) to your question about bankroll to support the trip, your risk of ruin is very very high (likely over 30%) and 20K is probably not enough for that game.

While I can sim and strategically estimate my ramp bets accordingly to Vegas mins $15 or $25, finding out what others "reasonably" do with at Vegas was what I was wondering. Naturally your RoR should be higher than your actual BR since it is a session BR (at least I assume this). And I have no clue what a reasonable RoR is for a short session trip. Would it be Full Kelly? 1/2 Kelly? Etc etc

[Three]

While I can sim and strategically estimate my ramp bets accordingly to Vegas mins $15 or $25, finding out what others "reasonably" do with at Vegas was what I was wondering. Naturally your RoR should be higher than your actual BR since it is a session BR (at least I assume this). And I have no clue what a reasonable RoR is for a short session trip. Would it be Full Kelly? 1/2 Kelly? Etc etc

You really need to understand this. That doesn't mean having someone hand you the answer to a specific question. People that don't understand money management usually bust out eventually. Perhaps they thought that of you but I am not sure how they could assess that.

[20 to 1 Spread]

Since you're younger than 30, dealers and floors will ask for your ID if you decline to play rated (common procedure when a refusal looks young).
In that case, your ID will be captured by the aerial view camera.
If you're backed off, they could just ask surveillance to get a shot of when your ID was checked.
To get around this, you could obtain an alias ID, use that to play, and as long as you don't reach the CTR limit, you shouldn't have any issues.
That will protect your real name.

I look really freaking young, so I'll get carded 99% of the time. With that being said, if I am forced to show ID, then once they review, they got me anyways. Should I still play rated or unrated. Perhaps if I do unrated but play not so aggressive where they would care to ask for a review (like a $300-500 win?) would be low enough for them not to care? **obviously depends on the place** but you get the idea

Also I thought using a fake ID and once I get caught, I could get in serious trouble as I am now actually breaking the law?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

20 to1 Spread:

Here is a good idea for you.

Enter a casino and walk directly to the Security Podium.

Present your I.D. and ask for a wristband, saying:

"Every bartender and dealer in this place asks me for I.D. and I

heard that you can give me a wristband so they won't keep asking."

IF they do not provide same, you have lost nothing by asking.

[Shadowless]

Also I thought using a fake ID and once I get caught, I could get in serious trouble as I am now actually breaking the law?

I am not an attorney, but from what I understand, as long as you aren't trying to impersonate an individual, past or present, with your alias and aren't using your alias for illicit purposes or to avoid CTR, then there is no wrongdoing in using an alias for the sole purpose of anonymity in a casino as long as you are of legal gambling age and aren't cheating or doing anything illegal.

Several members on here use aliases and have multiple player's cards under different name, myself included. I have not run into any issues and have always made sure that I don't get close to the CTR limit with an alias. That would be one reason for limiting session time and/or loss limits.

[RS]

Sim the game you're going to be playing in CVCX. Type in something like 5 hours, then look at the Std. Dev. figures. Then do 10 hours, 20 hours, etc. for however many hours you plan on playing. Use this information to determine how much of your BR you want to bring.

Remember, if you're not using a credit-card to pay for expenses (room, food, gas/rental, etc.), you're going to want to bring extra cash for thit.



Speaking of alias ID's.....how do you go about obtaining one?