can you make 10k a month in vegas

[realestate]

hi there just wondering if its reasonable to make 10k a month in vegas COUNTING blackjack. i need to put in about 75 hours playing time a month to reach 10k EV and probably another 100 hours walking and standing around backcounting. but i am mainly concerned with the heat that i will get. if i can increase longevity im OK with lower monthly. thank you

[genini1]

Yes you can make 10k/month. If you want to do it in 75 hours of play time you'll need a large bankroll or a large risk of ruin. Yes this will likely generate a lot of heat if you intend to do it repeatedly. Yes you can lower the monthly and increase longevity.

[metronome]

Perfect query for Kewl

[Freightman]

10k per month playing blackjack only, with low ROR in Vegas average is simply a function of bankroll and hours. There's enough stores to last a long time. Mix spreads and min and max if you have to. Decent act certainly wouldn't hurt. I see no issues whatsoever.

[Masterhoudini]

My opinion is it would actually be challenging to clear 10k/month in EV in Vegas for a long period of time. I've played Vegas a couple of times without a single backoff averaging about 300EV/hr, but we're talking short trips about 6k EV over a couple of days. It started to get sweaty though, and I narrowly escaped several backoffs and also felt my face was getting too familiar. So of course it's possible to get 10k or more easily for a couple of months, but after that, gonna be hard to extend longevity. Of course my opinion. From my understanding, KJ also plays other games other than BJ, but he is in that earning bracket.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

realestate,

The relationship between longevity and (a goal of) a monthly sum "to be" won,

is inversely proportional and (pseudo) exponential - to the point of being suicidal.

While there are a lot of casinos in the USA, only a minority handle big action.

Greed is the undoing of most inexperienced A.P. candidates.

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This week I heard from a successful acolyte who discovered a

BJ dealer who would "flash" 100% of the time, when he had a

TEN up.

He spread with aggression - calling forth the wrath of the E I T S

Not only did he bet up to 3 X $250 per round on a $25 table

but he was audacious enough to play CORRECTLY

(when knowing the dealer's hand); e.g. not splitting 8's against 19

or 20, splitting 2's and 3's against dealer stiffs, doubling 8 vs. 16, etc.

So ... he gets 86'd and obviously the dealer will be severely admonished

for flashing his hole card; probably killing future opportunities for others.

[Norm]

hi there just wondering if its reasonable to make 10k a month in vegas COUNTING blackjack

"Reasonable" is one of those fuzzy words. It's possible. But, ain't easy.

[Shadowless]

Very easy and possible if you plan ahead and divide your playing time between playable blackjack games and properties.

You'll need to play about 2.5 hours per day at 133.33/hr average to reach your goal, assuming you play everyday.

If you have five places to play at, and you should have a lot more than five in your rotation, that's 30 minutes per property, which isn't long at all.

[Oneoffthecount]

Slightly related. How many sessions will you play at one store before moving on. E.G. If you play a session, win a grand. Take a break and change pits, perhaps win $1600. Wait for shift change and play a third? Just wondering? I have a lmited number of stores.

[moo321]

Flash, most of those plays are quite reasonable. In fact, besides 8 v. stiff, I think they are all unquestionably reasonable. What other plays do you even have to get an edge if you're going to split 8s into a 20 or not split lows? That game is only like 2-3 percent with pretty aggressive play.

[bigplayer]

It's possible, but I don't think you can sustain that level of energy. For example, you can spread 2x10 to 2x100 at most double deck games at locals places and average about $80 an hour in EV so if you're willing to play 125 hours a month you should, over the long haul, average around $10,000 a month. Playing 30 hours a week will rapidly turn into a grind for you, but if you couple that with some low limit VP play and coupon hustling you could probably get $2K a month in local bounce-back cash fairly easily, that would mean you'd only have to play blackjack about 24hrs a week to make up the other 8K. This of course assumes that you don't get the boot from all the good double deck games after several months of grinding. I don't recommend anyone move to Vegas with the intention of playing here exclusively. Play here 1/3 to 1/2 of the time at low stakes, sure, but there are games elsewhere in Reno, California, Wendover, etc to bang away at as well that will cut down on your exposure .

[KJ]

It's possible, but I don't think you can sustain that level of energy. For example, you can spread 2x10 to 2x100 at most double deck games at locals places and average about $80 an hour in EV so if you're willing to play 125 hours a month you should, over the long haul, average around $10,000 a month. Playing 30 hours a week will rapidly turn into a grind for you, but if you couple that with some low limit VP play and coupon hustling you could probably get $2K a month in local bounce-back cash fairly easily, that would mean you'd only have to play blackjack about 24hrs a week to make up the other 8K. This of course assumes that you don't get the boot from all the good double deck games after several months of grinding. I don't recommend anyone move to Vegas with the intention of playing here exclusively. Play here 1/3 to 1/2 of the time at low stakes, sure, but there are games elsewhere in Reno, California, Wendover, etc to bang away at as well that will cut down on your exposure .

Because of my experience relates so closely to this question, I feel compelled to weigh in. And thank you, metronome for thinking of me.

Bigplayer, with all due respect, while it works in theory, as well as computer simulation, the plan you laid out of high volume, low limit, double deck only play, is unsustainable in actual practice. Even when adding neighboring low limit play of Reno, Wendover and California, double deck play in Vegas is just far too sweaty, even at low limits, to play the volume necessary to achieve this goal for anything but the very short term.

You must add in, and not only add in but add in the majority role, less sweaty 6 deck play, to sustain this level for any kind of reasonable amount of time (like years).

Although the OP mentioned in his first line, but not the title, that he was looking to achieve these results , solely from card counting blackjack, you make a strong case for the 20-25K machine play/mailer EV, supplementing blackjack EV. Most of us that make Vegas our home base, manage to stumble onto this unique opportunity.

When you add in this 20-25% machine play, supplemental EV, you are very close to the blueprint that I have played for the last 4-5 years, although my own goals or objective is just below that of the OP. My own total EV goal is more the $8000 per month range (100K), than the $10,000 range (120K) of the OP.

It should be noted that there are additional time requirements that may not initially be foreseen, for managing both machine play EV and managing your rotation of blackjack play.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

bigplayer,

. . . mentioned spreading 10-1 at Red Chip DD games in L.V.

In my experience, once a player exceeds 8-1 (6-1 in some places)

they are 86'd -- especially if they are going to put in a lot of hours.