can you make 10k a month in vegas

[Norm]

He has apparently demonstrated a non stop hardon (no pun intended) for Norm, and from the evidence, has apparently bashed the site elsewhere.

He has bashed the site on three forums recently by my count. That's his right. Although I think it injures other people to claim this is a voodoo site with one, maybe two, real players. Still trying to figure out who they are.

Now, if I were to look at this issue from a tougher perspective, I'd fire his ass out the door.

No one has ever been banned, or even suspended, for bashing me, here or anywhere. KJ has never been banned. In fact, I exclude attacks against me from the no personal attacks policy. If you are trying to get banned, you have to attack someone else.

[Masterhoudini]

Feuds or whatever crap aside...

1.) welcome back KJ- have tremendous respect for you, as I do Bigplayer as well.

2.) I think KJ is 100% right on this one. For those of you who say you can get down on dd with a lower spread in 2015- MAKING 120k/year, I said it earlier in the thread, I don't think it's reasonable at all, and if so very challenging. KJ's posts confirmed my suspicions. I challenge those who say you can- have you ever tried recently? I'd like to see someone clear out 10k EV/month on dd in Vegas for more than 3 months currently, not a few years ago. From my experience and I mixed it up in terms of spreads with shoe and dd, and cleared out about 12k EV over my last couple trips w/o a single backoff, it was getting incredibly sweaty at the end of both trips.
Again month after month!!?? I think for sure you'd have to add other games.

3.) people can have their own opinions but don't forget that the market is evolving day by day, so it's true, years ago it may have been possible, but it's a totally different era today.

Props to you KJ- buddy, I respect what you do.

[KJ]

In fact, I exclude attacks against me from the no personal attacks policy. If you are trying to get banned, you have to attack someone else.

Really???...Well then I'll get working on THAT. Just kidding.

Norman, I "bashed" the site a couple times on BJ21 mostly for your benefit (your welcome).

Have I said things, even here, as well as to you in private, that I wished I could take back? Sure. Life is full of those situations.

On the other sites, I don't think I so much as "bashed". I have concerns and I express that I don't believe this site is beneficial to new players. I just can no longer recommend this site in it's current form, to the newer players that I come in contact with regularly. But, it really isn't personal with you. I do still highly recommend your products. I also very much appreciate your contribution to the community, especially concerning software and have said I hope you someday get the recognition you deserve for that.

I just almost can't imagine what a full-time player went through figuring things out, pre-Qfit products, especially a player with limited smarts, like myself. Things that are answered in seconds post-Qfit products.

[Freightman]

Feuds or whatever crap aside...

1.) welcome back KJ- have tremendous respect for you, as I do Bigplayer as well.

2.) I think KJ is 100% right on this one. For those of you who say you can get down on dd with a lower spread in 2015- MAKING 120k/year, I said it earlier in the thread, I don't think it's reasonable at all, and if so very challenging. KJ's posts confirmed my suspicions. I challenge those who say you can- have you ever tried recently? I'd like to see someone clear out 10k EV/month on dd in Vegas for more than 3 months currently, not a few years ago. From my experience and I mixed it up in terms of spreads with shoe and dd, and cleared out about 12k EV over my last couple trips w/o a single backoff, it was getting incredibly sweaty at the end of both trips.
Again month after month!!?? I think for sure you'd have to add other games.

3.) people can have their own opinions but don't forget that the market is evolving day by day, so it's true, years ago it may have been possible, but it's a totally different era today.

Props to you KJ- buddy, I respect what you do.

No feuds with KJ - simply stating.
I agree with him, or just to address a larger populace, 100 k+ Per year DD in Vegas would be very difficult. Don't think 100 k+ shoe game would be tough at all, though that comment should be taken in context with your #3 comment regarding market evolving.

Wasn't that tough getting him back.

[KJ]

1.) KJ- have tremendous respect for you, as I do Bigplayer as well.

Props to you KJ- buddy, I respect what you do.

Thank you Masterhoudini. You are very kind. That respect is very mutual, I assure you. My whole approach is so very different from players like yourself and SCG, that I sometimes have a hard time even relating to you. But I respect and admire you "slash and burn", "get all you can right now" guys.

As a matter of fact, I am having such a good year this year, that I have been able revamp, my schedule, taking some time off (which helps with longevity). I also am planning on playing less for the remainder of the year, BUT I am scheduling a couple out of town trips, to try to incorporate some of your Slash & Burn type style of play. Not necessarily at the limits YOU play, but higher than my regular limits. I'll let ya know how that goes.

[Masterhoudini]

Haha, I don't always slash and burn per se. Sometimes you get burned bad- losing 24k in one hand...sucks. I think flexibility and adaptability in terms of style is undervalued, most seem to adopt one "style," I try and play according to what I feel is best in terms of maximizing value in that market changing bet sizes, cover etc. if necessary.

Funny thing is I consider myself the slow and steady tortoise solid performer despite my numbers. That's cool that you're branching out, all the best to you. Am sure you'll do the slash and burn camp proud- make sure you rock a place for at least 40k on your trip, otherwise we prob won't initiate you into the camp

[realestate]

It doesn't have to be DD. what about 6D

[Three]

As a matter of fact, I am having such a good year this year, that I have been able revamp, my schedule, taking some time off (which helps with longevity).

I am glad you bounced back in spades KJ. I knew you would eventually. That added variance to playing with very different ramps can be a fickle b*tch. You get killed for a while as your lower ramp gets the wins and then crush the game for a while as your upper ramp gets the wins. Of course there are times when both get wins or losses at the same time. One thing I was sure is you would not quit and keep at it until you reached that much longer long run or at least got the other side of the crazy variance associated with your mixing bet ramps tailored to casino tolerances.

[Orangechip2]

It doesn't have to be DD. what about 6D

I will answer your question without throwing a hissy fit - yes. Being there are members who put these numbers up regularly, so they claim, which I am not doubting . A more suitable question on the 'follow up' would of been can you make 25k a month playing only 6dk in Vegas . I am curious to how others would answer that. But since I commented, I'll give my input to your original question: yes, I think it would be fairly easy making 10k in Vegas a month playing ONLY DD with a few trips prior to taking on that goal of 10k monthly. There are places that give extraordinary mail offers and more importantly take notice to the board and the member that only bring up the sweat shops in Vegas - I am not a Vegas full timer but I can assure you from my 15+ trips to Vegas THIS YEAR that there are the total opposite of sweat shops. These are casinos that are OK with you spreading 10,15 x1 to 400x2 . I've done it and I questioned 'will they let me play until I hit a certain dollar amount' answer-no. I can recall specifically getting a heads up game at one of the notoriously sweaty places [near Mccaron] and decided I would play until it was time to go to the airport. Well me and my partner played for a good 2 hours- only tipping waitresses, playing at dif tables blasting the same ridiculous spread . Yea I got some 'heat' but an updated picture with unknown male 069 is less important than getting to the money. Now people will say "you must of passed their skill check, u wernt a threat, etc.," but here's the reality of it : not every known/unknown counter gets the boot when they are discovered . Like police, the surveillance folks, the pit bosses, and the shot callers use discression.

[20 to 1 Spread]

Now people will say "you must of passed their skill check, u wernt a threat, etc.," but here's the reality of it : not every known/unknown counter gets the boot when they are discovered . Like police, the surveillance folks, the pit bosses, and the shot callers use discression.

This statement. When I did my 36 hour session at the Wynn and one of the bosses asked me in a joking manner whether I was CC'ing or not, I'm sure how shocked and defensive I got was a dead giveaway. Plus I was betting 2 x 25 (I got them to let me bet min instead of doubling it - pretty cool) and ramping it to 2 x 300-400 average. While the PEN was pretty freaking awful at 4-4.5/6 decks (I'm used to 87.5%+), they seem not to care when I went zero to 100. Perhaps if I go back this coming trip; I'll get the boot. Let you guys know soonsies.

I also played at TI. No boot as of yet. Doing rated at most of these places.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

20 to 1 Spread,

When you spread like that (16 - 1) playing 10 times as many hours

as you should have; they view you as just a "greedy" card counter.

THAT is what they tell themselves in order to justify tossing you.

After you leave the casino the Surveillance folks will review your play.

All they need do is compare what the count was when

you were betting minimally to what the count was when you were betting more heavily.

You will probably be (immediately) 86'd upon your return.

The second visit to a casino is the one that most likely is going to result in an 86'ing.

[ZeeBabar]

But Zen Master, he has been to LV 15 times this year, presumably more over the course of the past few years so if he has gotten away, perhaps it's his act or his personality, age and other factors.

[20 to 1 Spread]

You will probably be (immediately) 86'd upon your return.

The second visit to a casino is the one that most likely is going to result in an 86'ing.

Will reading this on the toilet, I realized that this is the most likely course of action. I honestly would be a bit shocked if I didn't get backed off upon my return in the upcoming trip. Should I take no risks (no free room) and play unrated and avoid the BO for as long as possible? Or just go in with the card and play as I always have; if it come, it comes. Enjoy the comps for now?

But Zen Master, he has been to LV 15 times this year, presumably more over the course of the past few years so if he has gotten away, perhaps it's his act or his personality, age and other factors.

I would like to believe it's the act that I sort of imitate when I'm at the games. I try to represent this degenerate gambler who is a professional "investor" at things (ex: stock trading *mix it up* - things I actually have knowledge about to continue a conversation in case); is a believable act when I "chase" losses and say some sorta chase quote. Perhaps its my smile - I always smile even when I am losing big. Then I put out the max bet!

Oh there are other viable reasons on why I believe I don't get barred or BO as often as other people due to variables we're not in control of. Won't go more into this so I don't F myself in the arse too much. I can only handle the tip of it.