Pathetic bashing of site and Norm on other forum..

[ZeeBabar]

The "other" forum just had a thread bashing this site, a bit of Norm included. My understanding is that some of the experienced but egotistical AP's tried to come on this site and take over as resident experts, found that this site already had competent experts, did not get the worship they wanted. Some quit, others still lurk here. They bashed everyone here. They took comments I made, out of context, tried to use me to ridicule the site. They took a shot or two at T3 as well.

To me, the site monitors over there do not see the harm that comes from the cyber bullying that comes when someone shares anything (cause the few egotists start bullying when any newbie or even an intermediate).

Sad to see a great site limit itself to some 20 regular AP's who hammer away at anyone who tries posting over there. They have a great need to put others (Norm, this site etc.) down to feel good about themselves.

[Norm]

No need to do the same here.

[ZeeBabar]

Norm, the other site has a lot of good information just as yours is. I actually owe my small success to the archives and to posters there. It's just that many are harsh on you when you share mistakes made or admit you doubled for less or some such sharing. If, as I did, you have a need to learn and can see the good information that some still provide, then it's worth it but the egos are high there. I learned a lot from many including KJ.

[Norm]

An anonymous twitter user recently called actor James Woods a cocaine addict and Woods is suing.

And I thought he was just being stingy when he told me he had nothing.

[Sharky]

If the other site you refer is the one with the 90s collapsible thread format...laugh everytime i go there...those in glass houses should not cast stones

[Freightman]

Humorous thread. As I'm not welcome on the other site, for shits and giggles, let me see if I can figure this out.

There was a thread a few weeks ago, which apparently stimulated the departure of 3 respected posters. Bjarg, who doesn't need this site, and from anything I've seen or known about, has credentials above reproach. 21for me, another respected lposter, also with very good credentials, whom I believe plays fearlessly in the hi limit rooms, and from what I can gather, knows his market quite well. I rather like him, though he does seem to have this continual hardon for Zee, an almost mold like fascination (inside joke for those in the know) KJ the grinder, another pro who has earned his stripes so to speak - yet has displayed numerous temper tantrums over the years. Interestingly enough, the thread in question, if I recall correctly, had KJ stating several times that he had quit the board - yet he continued to post. Personally, if you're going to quit, then quit, and don't drag it out over several posts.

So, if a bashing thread has started on the other site, my money is on KJ to start it. If he has started it, then he is continuing to lurk on this site - and again - if you say you're going to quit, then quit, and don't be a crybaby about it.

Granted, I'm only having fun hypothesizing, and if I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to make a donation to our local homeless shelter, a charity that I know KJ supports in his local market. Personally, I would like to see all 3 of these individuals return, albeit without the dramatics.

[KJ]

Humorous thread. As I'm not welcome on the other site, for shits and giggles, let me see if I can figure this out.

KJ the grinder, another pro who has earned his stripes so to speak - yet has displayed numerous temper tantrums over the years. Interestingly enough, the thread in question, if I recall correctly, had KJ stating several times that he had quit the board - yet he continued to post. Personally, if you're going to quit, then quit, and don't drag it out over several posts.

So, if a bashing thread has started on the other site, my money is on KJ to start it. If he has started it, then he is continuing to lurk on this site - and again - if you say you're going to quit, then quit, and don't be a crybaby about it.

Granted, I'm only having fun hypothesizing, and if I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to make a donation to our local homeless shelter, a charity that I know KJ supports in his local market. Personally, I would like to see all 3 of these individuals return, albeit without the dramatics.

You are amazing....and that is not meant as a compliment. You of all people talking about someone being a “crybaby” and talking about drama. You who's recent behavior has been so obnoxious, you managed to be kicked off a site that has very light moderation. It takes some 'doing' to be kicked off that site.

Unlike you, Frieghtman, I am free to participate where I want, I just choose not to. And even if that were to change, I can still read what I like, so don't tell me what I can and can't read. I read about 8 sites regularly pertaining to advantage play and/or Las Vegas, monitoring for discussions and/or mentions of promotions that I can benefit from. Most I choose not to participate on , a couple, like 2 plus 2, I participate very rarely, and now down to two, I participate regularly. But again, don't tell me what I can and can't read.

But none of that is why I responded. I did start the thread in question. But it was not a thread to discuss this site. The thread is entitled “Note to bigplayer”, because I couldn't located his email and had no other way to privately communicate with him. I wanted to suggest that he clarify his recent post referencing unit because as written, I was concerned that many of the members of this site that he was attempting to help would not understand the reference, since most are not familiar with what I call the “bigplayer/Munchkin” definition of unit. And not understanding that definition, the statemnet was confusing. My concern as it often is, was for the players he was attempting to help.

It was another member, one of the other two that recently exited that you referenced that first turned the disucussion to this site. So therefore, while you can claim that you were 'technically' correct that I started the thread, if was not at all the situation that you accused, therefore I hope you will honor your promise of a donation to the homeless. If it makes no difference to you, I would ask that you make that donation to: the Nevada Partnership for Homeless Youth, 4981 Shirley Street, Las Vegas, NV 89119. (located directly across the street from Liberace's former mansion)

Since I was compelled to reply, let me just say that I have no proplem with Norm personally. Just last night, I recommended both 'Modern Blackjack' and Norm's software on the Wizard of Vegas site. Norm's software is the best and was and continues to be a huge game changer in the world of blackjack card counting. I honestly can't think of another development or product that has been so beneficial to players. It really was a game changer. I hope someday he receives the recognition that he deserves and I believe he would like, in the form of admission to the BJHoF.

But I do have a problem with the direction the site has taken and no longer can recommend this site to any aspiring counters. This site and the claims made and the discussions of advanced techniques (which belong in the advanced technique section) is just misleading and damaging to new counters starting out. So I exercise my option to not participate.

[Freightman]

You are amazing....and that is not meant as a compliment. You of all people talking about someone being a “crybaby” and talking about drama. You who's recent behavior has been so obnoxious, you managed to be kicked off a site that has very light moderation. It takes some 'doing' to be kicked off that site.

Unlike you, Frieghtman, I am free to participate where I want, I just choose not to. And even if that were to change, I can still read what I like, so don't tell me what I can and can't read. I read about 8 sites regularly pertaining to advantage play and/or Las Vegas, monitoring for discussions and/or mentions of promotions that I can benefit from. Most I choose not to participate on , a couple, like 2 plus 2, I participate very rarely, and now down to two, I participate regularly. But again, don't tell me what I can and can't read.

But none of that is why I responded. I did start the thread in question. But it was not a thread to discuss this site. The thread is entitled “Note to bigplayer”, because I couldn't located his email and had no other way to privately communicate with him. I wanted to suggest that he clarify his recent post referencing unit because as written, I was concerned that many of the members of this site that he was attempting to help would not understand the reference, since most are not familiar with what I call the “bigplayer/Munchkin” definition of unit. And not understanding that definition, the statemnet was confusing. My concern as it often is, was for the players he was attempting to help.

It was another member, one of the other two that recently exited that you referenced that first turned the disucussion to this site. So therefore, while you can claim that you were 'technically' correct that I started the thread, if was not at all the situation that you accused, therefore I hope you will honor your promise of a donation to the homeless. If it makes no difference to you, I would ask that you make that donation to: the Nevada Partnership for Homeless Youth, 4981 Shirley Street, Las Vegas, NV 89119. (located directly across the street from Liberace's former mansion)

Since I was compelled to reply, let me just say that I have no proplem with Norm personally. Just last night, I recommended both 'Modern Blackjack' and Norm's software on the Wizard of Vegas site. Norm's software is the best and was and continues to be a huge game changer in the world of blackjack card counting. I honestly can't think of another development or product that has been so beneficial to players. It really was a game changer. I hope someday he receives the recognition that he deserves and I believe he would like, in the form of admission to the BJHoF.

But I do have a problem with the direction the site has taken and no longer can recommend this site to any aspiring counters. This site and the claims made and the discussions of advanced techniques (which belong in the advanced technique section) is just misleading and damaging to new counters starting out. So I exercise my option to not participate.

Guess I was right. Nice to see you posting again.

Since you did say you were the OP, why don't you copy paste that so that a winner of the informal bet can be ascertained. If in fact, it can be determined that I am incorrect, I will honor my donation comment. If I can do so anonymously, I'll do as requested. If not, then I will do so locally.

[KJ]

Since you did say you were the OP, why don't you copy paste that so that a winner of the informal bet can be ascertained. If in fact, it can be determined that I am incorrect, I will honor my donation comment. If I can do so anonymously, I'll do as requested. If not, then I will do so locally.

Is this allowed, Norm?

[Norm]

Is this allowed, Norm?

He cannot possibly judge your intent based on that one post. He would need to see your previous posts and following posts to determine your intent. He may well believe you titled it as you did to draw the largest audience and knew that you would receive a follow-up post giving you the ability to go much further in your comments. I'm only stating that drawing intent is not easy. For example, you may not be correct that it is my intent to force all good posters off the site to make more money. (Besides, I'm rolling in cash from my effort to spread Ebola.)

I really don't want this crap here. Keep it on that site. Members here want to talk about AP.

[Norm]

I did start the thread in question. But it was not a thread to discuss this site.

Sorry, but this involves a bet made by Freightman that you are calling on him to pay based on your word since he has been prevented from reading your post. So, I think he should know some of the things you said in that very short post so he can evaluate for himself if he lost the bet. For example:

"minor league site"
"noobie membership over on the fantasy site"

And that was followed up with posts that bashed the entire membership. Now, I'm not going to get in an argument over this, and you may not think you started the thread to bash. But, he may disagree, and I don't think it's fair to call on him to pay in such a circumstance.

BTW, thanks for the post on 2+2, even though it did criticize this site. I did happen to see it. earlier.

[KJ]

Sorry, but this involves a bet made by Freightman that you are calling on him to pay based on your word since he has been prevented from reading your post. So, I think he should know some of the things you said in that very short post so he can evaluate for himself if he lost the bet. For example:



And that was followed up with posts that bashed the entire membership. Now, I'm not going to get in an argument over this, and you may not think you started the thread to bash. But, he may disagree, and I don't think it's fair to call on him to pay in such a circumstance.

Those are 'colorful' adjectives that I chose to describe the site as I see it. That speaks nothing of the intent of the initial post, which should be quite obvious to all who have read it. Freightman implied that the thread was started to bash this site and despite that you may not appreciate my description, it should be quite clear to even you what the intent of that initial post was.

No matter, I never thought Frieghtman would be honorable enough to make good on his promise. Nor was I expecting any support from you.

[Norm]

No matter, I never thought Frieghtman would be honorable enough to make good on his promise.

We do not allow personal attacks on this site. That was one of the worst I have seen this year with absolutely no basis. Seriously.