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    What is more important # hands or penetration?

    I play a single deck game that doesn't use a shuffle card. Instead they go by the number of players and what I call the rule of 6. Subtract the number of players from 6 and you get the number of rounds. Therefore 1 player gets 5 rounds, 2 players get 4, 3 get 3, etc.

    With 1 player you would have 10 total hands dealt. With 2 or 3 players you would have a total of 12 hands dealt. With 4 you would have 10 and 5 would get you only 6.

    My question is since 2 or 3 players give you more penetration, would this be better than head to head play with the dealer? If I am playing head to head would it be better to play 2 hands?

    Early in the mornings I had the table to myself most of the time.

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    2 or 3 players give you more penetration but the problem is they slow down the game and reduce the number of hands per hour. You will be better off playing heads up or with one other player who bets more than you which will give you a little cover.

    You will be better off playing 1 hand mainly because playing solo in a single deck game you are too obvious when you start spreading to 2 hands on high counts.

    This is a very good game if you can play it without a crowded table and bj pays 3:2. You should keep it to yourself.

    You may want to read about the cut card effect and you can do that here. https://www.blackjackinfo.com/knowle...t-card-effect/
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    The expected value for a game is roughly inversely proportional to 1 minus the penetration by what I have read.

    I prefer playing with one other player who bets more than me, I got to do that today. But of course I am always on the extreme left of the Gaussian curve. I never win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    2 or 3 players give you more penetration but the problem is they slow down the game and reduce the number of hands per hour. You will be better off playing heads up or with one other player who bets more than you which will give you a little cover.

    You will be better off playing 1 hand mainly because playing solo in a single deck game you are too obvious when you start spreading to 2 hands on high counts.

    This is a very good game if you can play it without a crowded table and bj pays 3:2. You should keep it to yourself.

    You may want to read about the cut card effect and you can do that here. https://www.blackjackinfo.com/knowle...t-card-effect/

    It pays 3:2, no DAS, no resplitting aces, dealer hits S17.

    You can't add a hand after the first hand.

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    This is approximately a -.17% game using basic strategy. You should play it.
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    Bodarc, respect your views so how is a DD game, 75% penn, H17, double on 9-11 only, no re-splitting of Aces, 3:2 BJ and can only play 2 hands at shuffle (cannot go to two hands later) with one hand being twice the minimum ($50, $25). Can I win with a 1-5 spread? What if I start the round playing 2 hands ($50,$25), going to one hand if count is neutral or minus 1, and a max of two hands of $125 each? What is the casino edge? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    This is approximately a -.17% game using basic strategy. You should play it.
    I feel sorry for you people that have to play with such shitty rules.

    You should come to Tunica MS. 8 casinos and I think all of them have DD with a -.40%. DOA, DAS, Resplit Aces everywhere but Sam's Town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    What is the casino edge?
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    While I won some $19k in my first year, and another $5800 this January, I am in a prolonged 2 month losing sessions where I have lost $5300.
    Zee, you keep asking people to sim games or advantages for you because you have a low bankroll and can't afford CVCX. It appears to me your bankroll was very good after your first year's earning. Why have you not bought CVCX?

    This may give you an estimate of your question: https://card-counting.com/blackjack-odds-calculator.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    I feel sorry for you people that have to play with such shitty rules.

    You should come to Tunica MS. 8 casinos and I think all of them have DD with a -.40%. DOA, DAS, Resplit Aces everywhere but Sam's Town.
    Tunica is basically unplayable, IMO. 50 pen on almost all of those DD games, and it's difficult to get any kind of money down without standing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    You should come to Tunica MS. 8 casinos
    Thanks for the heads up phantom. I was planning on getting by there at least once in the next 6 months or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Bodarc, respect your views so how is a DD game, 75% penn, H17, double on 9-11 only, no re-splitting of Aces, 3:2 BJ and can only play 2 hands at shuffle (cannot go to two hands later) with one hand being twice the minimum ($50, $25). Can I win with a 1-5 spread? What if I start the round playing 2 hands ($50,$25), going to one hand if count is neutral or minus 1, and a max of two hands of $125 each? What is the casino edge? Thanks in advance.
    In one of your more recent BJ21 posts, you said you were finally buying software. What happened?

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    Still got to learn how to use it just like you guys need to learn your own name. I don't recall asking you. Seems like you have become my groupies, can't seem to resist responding to any of my posts. The mature ones either answer the question or move on to the next thread but the $&@&$ seem to want to respond to every post, and not with an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiestastation View Post
    Tunica is basically unplayable, IMO. 50 pen on almost all of those DD games, and it's difficult to get any kind of money down without standing out.

    The single deck game I mentioned in the first post is in Tunica also.

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