Dealer notifies floor of Green Action!

[RS]

I usually agree with what ZMF writes. However in this thread, I've found myself disagreeing with everything he's written.

If I'm playing a strong game (HC), I don't want to buy in for 1 or 2 bets. IMO, it looks better to win 3x your buy in (win $6K after buy-in $2K), than to win 10x your buy in (win $6K after buying in $200 three times).

The guy who buys in $200 and bets it all on one hand, he's just there to win a few hands and leave. He wins $400-600 and he's gone. Such players (in my experience) aren't going to be camping out all night.

You buy in for $2K and start betting $200/hand, looks more natural, especially if you're playing for a while. You look more like a big player, who can afford it. You don't look like a flea who's trying to win a few hundred so he can pay his rent.

[mushin]

This is a new thing at my local hang outs. Not all of the dealers call out action but more are starting. I find it annoying when they yell green action over and over if it is my bet or not. The silly thing is someone dropping $80 in reds gets nothing, but the guy next to him slides out one green and we have to wait for the dealer to get done hollering.

The primary reason they don't call out for a stack of red but do for green is that the dealers don't know the why behind making the green action call. Correct me if I wrong but the main reason for calling out bets is to report higher limit play and not really about tracking chips. At least that is the original reason... since then some places may have just adapted the procedure without fully understanding why.

So yes it is dumb to call out green for a single green chip and ignore the $80 red. But.. knowing this I would just play all red at that store to avoid having my bets called out. Less information is better than more for the pit.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

RollingStoned,

You said:

"You buy in for $2K and start betting $200/hand, looks more natural, especially if you're playing for a while. You look more like a big player, who can afford it. You don't look like a flea who's trying to win a few hundred so he can pay his rent."

OF COURSE - - - I agree fully with the above.
I thought that you were referring to a game
betting $25 off the top and/or most of the time.

[Masterhoudini]

Respectfully, I disagree in part.

1. Buying in many times can call attention to your play.
2. I have definitely seen places that comp more based on drop. MGM in particular used to be big on buy-in/losing sessions.
3. Some people might play black or purple on a $25 table.

I agree with moo man.

1.) the worst is when you're at or near your max bet with splits and doubles and you have to change more cash and you draw attention, you wouldn't have otherwise cause pit has to come check your money change.

2.) this is true at some places, comp based on drop, though usually not more. There are two categories, theo, and also another category like automatic loss comp (forget terminology), where if a player for example loses like 5k-10k in like 10 minutes, they still get comps. I know of a few other places as well where drop is considered heavily into the equation- these are more rare now as it's mostly based on theo, but at most places, drop still matters a little.

3.) purple action is a little rare at $25 min, but black is common.

i also agree with Mushin that it should be a "ratio" of what you're betting. You should also aim to mimic the buyins of other players according to their betting levels. Based on my observations, my optimal buy ins would be

$100-200 for red chipper
$400-700 for green chipper
$1000-$2000 for black chipper

[Three]

Correct me if I wrong but the main reason for calling out bets is to report higher limit play and not really about tracking chips.

The casinos biggest threat is employee theft. It is a much greater threat than card counting. The way to combat this is to track higher denomination chips so it is impossible to steal them and go unnoticed. That said a suit told me an employee stole 1 $100 chip everyday he worked for over 15 years before getting caught. He took them for around half a million right under their noses simply because 1 chip not accounted for wasn't flagged day after day after day. That is just 1 employee. This is the primary reason they track chips. It also can have a side benefit of also being used for a number of other things that the casino can find quite useful.

So yes it is dumb to call out green for a single green chip and ignore the $80 red.

Not if the casino is only concerned with the primary reason they track the high denomination chips.

[moo321]

"Buying in many times" is attention that you want.
You get pegged as a chronic poppy loser who is
playing with "scared money" or has too little cash
to seriously attack the game and win much at all.
"First impressions are lasting ones."

Comp ratings do NOT ever include buy-ins.
That urban-myth, was promulgated by casinos
to get patrons to put more cash in action.

M.G.M. - my cash cow for a truly long time.
I assure you that you have been lied to.

You are at a $2 table - you can bet chunky green.
Playing black and above actually REQUIRES
the pit critter watch your action more closely.

1. I don't agree in most situations. In fact, for most counters, getting as little attention as possible is the best way.
2. I have absolutely, 100% confirmed several casinos that do count buy-in for comp and mailer purposes.
3. Well, sometimes the game is only available on the low limit table, and you need to lay down serious action.

[moo321]

I usually agree with what ZMF writes. However in this thread, I've found myself disagreeing with everything he's written.

If I'm playing a strong game (HC), I don't want to buy in for 1 or 2 bets. IMO, it looks better to win 3x your buy in (win $6K after buy-in $2K), than to win 10x your buy in (win $6K after buying in $200 three times).

The guy who buys in $200 and bets it all on one hand, he's just there to win a few hands and leave. He wins $400-600 and he's gone. Such players (in my experience) aren't going to be camping out all night.

You buy in for $2K and start betting $200/hand, looks more natural, especially if you're playing for a while. You look more like a big player, who can afford it. You don't look like a flea who's trying to win a few hundred so he can pay his rent.

Yep. Repeated buy-ins can absolutely wake up a pit.

[mushin]

Yep. Repeated buy-ins can absolutely wake up a pit.

Yep.. its all about finding a nice balance.