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    WHAT is Departure Adjustment!?

    On CVCX, my SCORE doubles when select Departure Adj.! What is this? Is this mean when I wong out? If I dont select Dep Adj., what does program assume? That I play all after wong in?!

    If my Strategy is DAS, Late Sur, S17 and 80% pene, i am get a SCORE of around 140, is thqt correct? I am planning to wong +1 and wongging out at 0. I set Dep. Adj at 0 and backcount to 1. SCORE seems very high. Did I enter my strategy correct?!
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    CVCX has two methods of simulating wonging. You can either set the wonging parameters before or after the sim. If you set them after the sim, you have the advantage of being able to change the wonging points after the sim and seeing immediate changes. This is how BJRM and the Blackjack Attack Chapter 10 numbers were generated. The disadvantage is that there are few options and the numbers assume that when you enter or leave the table, another player leaves or enters. That is, the numbers are not as accurate.

    If you set the wonging options before the sim, the numbers are accurate. Further, there are far more options. Like different wong-in and wong-out counts. Differing wonging points by depth. Limitations on wonging out depending on whether you just won or lost a hand, etc. The disadvantage is that you can’t change the settings after the sim.

    The Departure Adjustment feature was developed before the pre-sim wonging option was developed. It estimates the effect of different Wong-in and Wong-out points. It’s not exact but quite close. I blatantly stole the methodology from a post by DD’.

    My advice is to use the wonging option in the sim setup. (The pre-sim option.) This is more accurate and has far more flexibility. When you use this, the Departure Adjustment option will not appear.
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    Norm hard to understand you. Can you tell me if SCORE 140 sound right?! with those rules, pene, and wongg points!? Wong +1 out at 0

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    SCORE of 140 is implausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    SCORE of 140 is implausible.
    He is probably talking about C-SCORE.

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    The Help also states: "Also, you can enter a number. This is the number of hands that it would take you to find a new table. So, if you enter 10, you are estimating that it you will waste ten hands looking for a new table and the Win Rate will be decreased accordingly."

    You are entering 0. That means that you expect to leave the table and instantly find a new table, which would give you a very large SCORE.
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    so Dep ADjust is for 'time' after I leave my current table?? So if i leave table and want to jump into new table +1, all that 'time' is what dep adj. shows you? If take 15 mintues to find new table +1, I need to put about 20 for dep adj?

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    Yes. Wonging SCOREs vary by casino, shifts, and about every other variable you can think of. The point is that you will have periods of time where you will not be playing. How long will it take to enter another table? Are there many tables? are there empty seats? Are there other casinos within walking distance? The only correct method of simulating this, IMO, is to determine by experience, under the circumstances, how many actual rounds per hour you will play given the time it takes to find a new table or come back to the same table, sim the game and use that number for rounds/hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Yes. Wonging SCOREs vary by casino, shifts, and about every other variable you can think of. The point is that you will have periods of time where you will not be playing. How long will it take to enter another table? Are there many tables? are there empty seats? Are there other casinos within walking distance? The only correct method of simulating this, IMO, is to determine by experience, under the circumstances, how many actual rounds per hour you will play given the time it takes to find a new table or come back to the same table, sim the game and use that number for rounds/hour.
    But if i wong only all the time. Do hands seen count toward rounds per hour?! If so I will alway be getting in rounds/hour all the time. There is always one dealer shuffle the cards at the casino, so i just move over.

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    It wasn't designed for that situation. It was designed to use a methodology used by DD' and his team. I'd remove it, but there may be some people still using it.
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